Tim Worstall

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So here’s an interesting technical problem

December 2nd, 2012 · 17 Comments

I be travelling. And brought my little notebook computer with me. Which has developed the most amazing fault. Half the keyboard works: the other half doesn’t.

It runs in a line, about 45 degree angle, across the board. 3 doesn’t work, four does, n doesn’t work, m does.

Anyone any clue as to what this might be?

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17 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Peter Whale // Dec 2, 2012 at 10:10 am

    Have you had a stroke?

  • 2 Ian B // Dec 2, 2012 at 10:41 am

    Might be the keyboard switch matrix is in 3 sections, and one has failed. Not something that could be diagnosed without a circuit diagram anyway.

    Either that, or it’s one of those things where a certain shortcut converts part of the keyboard into a numeric pad, and if you don’t know you’ve done it, you just get part of the keyboard not working.

    But it’s probably just fucked.

  • 3 bloke in spain // Dec 2, 2012 at 11:00 am

    Got a laptop here with the same problem. You been giving it a clean? I probably damaged my one wiping the keys clean with a damp cloth. Too damp. Some water got down between the keys & got on the underlying electrics. Blew one of the keyboard zones.

  • 4 Matthew L // Dec 2, 2012 at 11:07 am

    Might be a loose keyboard connector too. What model is it?

    Tim adds: Samsung N 145 plus

  • 5 KJ // Dec 2, 2012 at 11:16 am

    You should be able to get a USB keyboard to fit over your netbook for about 7 or 8 quid.. hope this helps..

  • 6 Matthew L // Dec 2, 2012 at 11:36 am

    Here’s a video on how to take the keyboard out and replace it. Try reseating the keyboard connector, see if that helps.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VDt-4rh-f4I

  • 7 PaulB // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:46 pm

    Keyboards are wired in a matrix: a keypress is detected by scanning the horizontal and (diagonally) vertical lines to find which two are connected together.

  • 8 Ian B // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:53 pm

    Thank you, Captain Obvious!

    Sorry, had to be said :)

  • 9 PaulB // Dec 2, 2012 at 12:56 pm

    Yes Ian, I know you knew that. But not everyone does. Strange, I realise.

  • 10 Ceri Reid // Dec 2, 2012 at 1:22 pm

    Check that the problem exists if you’re just running the BIOS setup program (F2 or whatever when the system’s booting; there’s usually somewhere in there where you can type the name of the machine or something) – if it does, then it’s a hardware problem, if not it might be a Windows thing.

    Most likely it’s a hardware problem. My experience is that it’s usually a keyboard problem rather than the chip that reads the keyboard – so it’s worth replacing the keyboard on spec to see if that fixes the problem. ($38 online)

    The keyboard removal/replacement is very easy – 3 screws. There’s a Youtube video showing how to do it.

  • 11 Dave // Dec 2, 2012 at 2:21 pm

    Checking to see if the keyboard works in the BIOS – usually hit del or F1 as soon as the machine boots – is a very good plan. Even before that, check if the lower-left function keys – Ctrl Shift, Windows key etc – are working. It’s incredibly bad form to make them change function even with function lock on.

    I would be moderately surprised if it turns out to be anything other than that the function lock is turned-on. Untriggered electronic failures – that is, those not caused by pouring coffee into the machine or some such – are vanishingly rare.

  • 12 Matthew L // Dec 2, 2012 at 5:18 pm

    Dave: That’s why I suggested reseating the keyboard connector. A sharp knock to the bottom can often dislodge it slightly.

  • 13 Kevin Monk // Dec 2, 2012 at 6:30 pm

    Buy a Mac. Seriously. The build quality is better and a computer is probably one of the main tools of your trade so why scrimp on it?

  • 14 MakajazMonkee // Dec 2, 2012 at 10:15 pm

    “Buy a Mac” Then install Ubuntu

  • 15 SimonB // Dec 3, 2012 at 3:27 am

    Apple do make exceedingly good laptops but it’s pretty poor advice to recommend a £800+ device to replace a faulty keyboard on a sub £200 device.

  • 16 Andrew Duffin // Dec 3, 2012 at 4:32 pm

    Not Thinkpad Edge is it by any chance?

    Oh no, I see it’s not.

    They have an irreparable motherboard fault that causes something similar – changing the keyboard makes no difference. This must be something of the same sort.

    Plug in a USB keyboard – not much of an option on a plane, I know, but probably the only option.

    Oh, and buy a better laptop.

    HP seem to be OK just now, but they’re about to make 25000 people redundant or something, so this will probably change.

    And to all Linux fanboys – this is a hardware issue, you fanatics.

  • 17 Kevin Monk // Dec 4, 2012 at 1:38 am

    @15 Simon B…

    What’s the opportunity cost of a faulty laptop for a couple of days when you’re earning ~£60k/year?

    Recommending the purchase of an £800+ laptop is very sound advice.

    @14. Yes, install Ubuntu if you want but as Andrew@16 points out, it was the quality of the hardware I was referring to.

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