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	<description>It is all obvious or trivial except...</description>
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		<title>By: Mr Ecks</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36992</link>
		<dc:creator>Mr Ecks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 10 Nov 2009 03:11:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is obvious rubbish

What the hell else would you pay your credit card bill with if not cash-another credit card?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is obvious rubbish</p>
<p>What the hell else would you pay your credit card bill with if not cash-another credit card?</p>
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		<title>By: Andrew Duffin</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36983</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew Duffin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 19:54:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Well the EU&#039;s the government now so I guess they can do whatever they want.

I know, let&#039;s vote them out at the next election!

What?

Oh.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well the EU&#8217;s the government now so I guess they can do whatever they want.</p>
<p>I know, let&#8217;s vote them out at the next election!</p>
<p>What?</p>
<p>Oh.</p>
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		<title>By: Matthew</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36954</link>
		<dc:creator>Matthew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:01:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Given that it took me minutes not hours to find this out (assuming I’m right) then why hasn’t any decent journalist taken this story to the correct conclusion? Any Guardian journalists out there want to run this? Anyone?&quot;

Is it possible that they only read it in today&#039;s Sun? Now if Maurice had let them know in advance...

http://mauriceclairvoyant.com/</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Given that it took me minutes not hours to find this out (assuming I’m right) then why hasn’t any decent journalist taken this story to the correct conclusion? Any Guardian journalists out there want to run this? Anyone?&#8221;</p>
<p>Is it possible that they only read it in today&#8217;s Sun? Now if Maurice had let them know in advance&#8230;</p>
<p><a href="http://mauriceclairvoyant.com/" rel="nofollow">http://mauriceclairvoyant.com/</a></p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36952</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:55:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good digging, KT.

The trouble is, the true story doesn&#039;t fit with anyone&#039;s ideology: the right-wing press doesn&#039;t have any interest in showing that this story actually has nowt to do with ZaNuLieBore and the EUSSR&#039;s Evil Controlling Plans, whereas the left-wing press doesn&#039;t have any interest in showing that Lovely Friendly Cuddly Mutuals are actually no better than Evil Corporate Bankers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good digging, KT.</p>
<p>The trouble is, the true story doesn&#8217;t fit with anyone&#8217;s ideology: the right-wing press doesn&#8217;t have any interest in showing that this story actually has nowt to do with ZaNuLieBore and the EUSSR&#8217;s Evil Controlling Plans, whereas the left-wing press doesn&#8217;t have any interest in showing that Lovely Friendly Cuddly Mutuals are actually no better than Evil Corporate Bankers.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36946</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:19:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;But how ironic that the Bank that trumpets its ethicality (can I say that?) in all things, and which promotes Fair Trade, personal responsibility for climate change and all those other warm and fuzzy things should have been exposed.&lt;/i&gt;

Given that it took me minutes not hours to find this out (assuming I&#039;m right) then why hasn&#039;t any decent journalist taken this story to the correct conclusion? Any Guardian journalists out there want to run this? Anyone?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>But how ironic that the Bank that trumpets its ethicality (can I say that?) in all things, and which promotes Fair Trade, personal responsibility for climate change and all those other warm and fuzzy things should have been exposed.</i></p>
<p>Given that it took me minutes not hours to find this out (assuming I&#8217;m right) then why hasn&#8217;t any decent journalist taken this story to the correct conclusion? Any Guardian journalists out there want to run this? Anyone?</p>
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		<title>By: Formertory</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36939</link>
		<dc:creator>Formertory</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:28:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;I bet the Co-op used to regularly cheat their customers on cash payments&lt;/i&gt;

As did they all.  The 3 day clearance time applied to cash payments over the counter where the account wasn&#039;t in the same bank / branch.

But how ironic that the Bank that trumpets its ethicality (can I say that?) in all things, and which promotes  Fair Trade, personal responsibility for climate change and all those other warm and fuzzy things should have been exposed.

Nice bit of digging, KT.  I favoured the money-laundering explanation until I read that.  They&#039;re supposed to ask for the origin of all cash payments to accounts, especially payments to third-party accounts (which your own credit card would be, seen from the bank branch&#039;s perspective).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>I bet the Co-op used to regularly cheat their customers on cash payments</i></p>
<p>As did they all.  The 3 day clearance time applied to cash payments over the counter where the account wasn&#8217;t in the same bank / branch.</p>
<p>But how ironic that the Bank that trumpets its ethicality (can I say that?) in all things, and which promotes  Fair Trade, personal responsibility for climate change and all those other warm and fuzzy things should have been exposed.</p>
<p>Nice bit of digging, KT.  I favoured the money-laundering explanation until I read that.  They&#8217;re supposed to ask for the origin of all cash payments to accounts, especially payments to third-party accounts (which your own credit card would be, seen from the bank branch&#8217;s perspective).</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36935</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:08:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;ve wasted several minutes of my life following this up, but I think I have a theory. The Payment Services Directive came into force on 1st November, implemented by the Payment Services Regulations (PSR) in the UK.

The PSD/PSR provided for common definitions and standards for things like time taken to credit accounts, how to refund monies, etc. It does cover the payment of cash into accounts for settling bills etc. (including credit card accounts), and specifically the PSR includes this:

&lt;i&gt;72. Where a payment service user places cash on its payment account with a payment service
provider in the same currency as that payment account, the payment service provider must—
(a) if the user is a consumer, micro-enterprise or charity, ensure that the amount is made available and value dated immediately after the receipt of the funds;
(b)	in any other case, ensure that the amount is made available and value dated no later than the end of the business day after the receipt of the funds.&lt;/i&gt;

In other words, when you take cash to pay for something you have to clear it immediately, no hanging on to it for ages cheating the customer. There is &lt;i&gt;nothing&lt;/i&gt; I can find that says you can&#039;t use cash to pay a credit card bill.

I bet the Co-op used to regularly cheat their customers on cash payments for settling credit card bills (issuing &quot;late payment&quot; fees etc. when cash doesn&#039;t &#039;clear&#039; immediately). And I bet they couldn&#039;t be arsed to update their systems to comply with the PSR and so took the easier option of simply refusing cash payments. 

I hope their customers punish them.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;ve wasted several minutes of my life following this up, but I think I have a theory. The Payment Services Directive came into force on 1st November, implemented by the Payment Services Regulations (PSR) in the UK.</p>
<p>The PSD/PSR provided for common definitions and standards for things like time taken to credit accounts, how to refund monies, etc. It does cover the payment of cash into accounts for settling bills etc. (including credit card accounts), and specifically the PSR includes this:</p>
<p><i>72. Where a payment service user places cash on its payment account with a payment service<br />
provider in the same currency as that payment account, the payment service provider must—<br />
(a) if the user is a consumer, micro-enterprise or charity, ensure that the amount is made available and value dated immediately after the receipt of the funds;<br />
(b)	in any other case, ensure that the amount is made available and value dated no later than the end of the business day after the receipt of the funds.</i></p>
<p>In other words, when you take cash to pay for something you have to clear it immediately, no hanging on to it for ages cheating the customer. There is <i>nothing</i> I can find that says you can&#8217;t use cash to pay a credit card bill.</p>
<p>I bet the Co-op used to regularly cheat their customers on cash payments for settling credit card bills (issuing &#8220;late payment&#8221; fees etc. when cash doesn&#8217;t &#8216;clear&#8217; immediately). And I bet they couldn&#8217;t be arsed to update their systems to comply with the PSR and so took the easier option of simply refusing cash payments. </p>
<p>I hope their customers punish them.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36930</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:52:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Is this yet another &quot;we can&#039;t be arsed, so let&#039;s pretend it&#039;s data protection/human rights/health and safety/EU regulations&quot;?

I bet it&#039;s something to do with money laundering regulations regarding large sums to settle debts.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Is this yet another &#8220;we can&#8217;t be arsed, so let&#8217;s pretend it&#8217;s data protection/human rights/health and safety/EU regulations&#8221;?</p>
<p>I bet it&#8217;s something to do with money laundering regulations regarding large sums to settle debts.</p>
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		<title>By: Cleanthes</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/11/09/you-what-22/comment-page-1/#comment-36929</link>
		<dc:creator>Cleanthes</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:51:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>First they came for the gold and I did not speak out because it was all such a long time ago.

Then they came for the cheques and I did not speak out because I use online banking.

Then....</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>First they came for the gold and I did not speak out because it was all such a long time ago.</p>
<p>Then they came for the cheques and I did not speak out because I use online banking.</p>
<p>Then&#8230;.</p>
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