Comments on: It just isn’t getting any better, is it?

By: john b

john b — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 12:11:06 +0000

@5, stop confusing matters with facts. The EUSSR *will* send us all to the gulag quick-time, and anyone who says otherwise is a vegetarian Guardian reader.

By: Matthew

Matthew — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 11:19:42 +0000

Surely Toben wasn’t a transfer of proceedings, it was to do with extradition?

By: Brian, follower of Deornoth

Brian, follower of Deornoth — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 10:35:38 +0000

Oh, and Nick Griffin. He must be guilty of something, because we don’t approve of him.

By: The Great Simpleton

The Great Simpleton — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:53:33 +0000

And at the same time they’re chipping away at some of last protections, like juries -

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk/8106590.stm

Of course we all accept that those nasty people like criminals and drug barons (POCA) shouldn’t get away with it, don’t we?

By: dearieme

dearieme — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 09:25:52 +0000

“it gives national courts competence to try a criminal offence that is not prescribed by UK law”: eh? Double eh, eh? Do they perhaps mean “proscribed”?

And, come to that, what is this “UK law” of which they speak?

By: Matthew

Matthew — Mon, 09 Nov 2009 08:55:33 +0000

Oh lord, it’s the Telegraph. It’s impossible nowadays if only looking on the web to tell if it’s an opinion piece or news story – last week we had the news headline ‘more of Britain’s powers surrended to Brussels’, which while not as insane as Janet Daley’s hope for a 1989 style revolution against the EU, would certainly have former editors spinning in their grave. Well not all former editors, I guess it all started with the famous news headline ‘his faith is so strong he is already touching the Lord’.

So you just can’t rely on it, and I think it’s being a bit misleading here as well in not mentioning Article 11, “Double Criminality”:

“A request for transfer of proceedings can be complied with only if the act underlying the request for transfer constitutes an offence under the law of the Member State of the receiving authority”.

Tim adds: No, this isn’t true. There are 21 crimes for which double criminality has been abandoned. Including xenophobia which is not a crime in the UK. Otherwise, why would Gerard Toben have been held on remand for a month while a request for his extradition over holocaust denial was considered?