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		<title>By: Britblog Roundup N241 &#8211; Best of British &#124; nourishing obscurity</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/09/26/pollys-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-34683</link>
		<dc:creator>Britblog Roundup N241 &#8211; Best of British &#124; nourishing obscurity</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 13:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] of bureaucrats and jobsworths, Tim Worstall, quite unusually, addresses something else Polly has now said – that we&#8217;re a social [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/09/26/pollys-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-34675</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 27 Sep 2009 07:24:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That’s a  rather  amusing story Ian B  but tracing the  history of nebulous cultural drifts is a little like looking at the stars and seeing ..well whatever you like. The equally Victorian Romantic sensibility to which individualists  often unconsciously appeal  is  in reaction to the self   loathing rationalists . You would have to go along way to  find a vision of humanity more horrified than Lord Rochester’s or indeed Swifts . 

Another reading then sees  Man reduced to atom by the 18th century and  a reaction in the form of Romantic Conservatism  religious enthusiasms  and medievalism .All refuse to accept this unit man    and   refresh  the Anglo spheres peculiar  resistance to  authoritarianism of all stripes .
That’s just one shape in the stars  I could draw many more  the notion of the latent  rational utopia  frustrated by the   19th century seems a peculiarly implausible one to me .

Interesting though , thanks for that</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That’s a  rather  amusing story Ian B  but tracing the  history of nebulous cultural drifts is a little like looking at the stars and seeing ..well whatever you like. The equally Victorian Romantic sensibility to which individualists  often unconsciously appeal  is  in reaction to the self   loathing rationalists . You would have to go along way to  find a vision of humanity more horrified than Lord Rochester’s or indeed Swifts . </p>
<p>Another reading then sees  Man reduced to atom by the 18th century and  a reaction in the form of Romantic Conservatism  religious enthusiasms  and medievalism .All refuse to accept this unit man    and   refresh  the Anglo spheres peculiar  resistance to  authoritarianism of all stripes .<br />
That’s just one shape in the stars  I could draw many more  the notion of the latent  rational utopia  frustrated by the   19th century seems a peculiarly implausible one to me .</p>
<p>Interesting though , thanks for that</p>
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		<title>By: gene berman</title>
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		<dc:creator>gene berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:47:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian B.: 

I think you would be interested in reading the essay, &quot;Politics, Imprisonment, and Race&quot; at the La Griffe duLion website: lagriffedulion.f2s.com
It&#039;s a striking example of similar unintended consequences.</description>
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<p>I think you would be interested in reading the essay, &#8220;Politics, Imprisonment, and Race&#8221; at the La Griffe duLion website: lagriffedulion.f2s.com<br />
It&#8217;s a striking example of similar unintended consequences.</p>
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		<title>By: gene berman</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/09/26/pollys-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-34672</link>
		<dc:creator>gene berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 23:32:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian B.:

That&#039;s as well-done an explanation as I&#039;ve seen in a very long time. And, of course, part of the belief is that, with the &quot;proper&quot; economic structure, men will more nearly behave as they ought and that most of mens&#039; shortcomings will simply cease to exist (or at least to cause many problems).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ian B.:</p>
<p>That&#8217;s as well-done an explanation as I&#8217;ve seen in a very long time. And, of course, part of the belief is that, with the &#8220;proper&#8221; economic structure, men will more nearly behave as they ought and that most of mens&#8217; shortcomings will simply cease to exist (or at least to cause many problems).</p>
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		<title>By: jameshigham</title>
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		<dc:creator>jameshigham</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 18:07:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The jobsworth, the form filling, clipboard wielding bureaucrat is a national figure of fun and has been for generations. In a way that a bureaucrat in Sweden say, or Germany, simply is not. Such an occupation there provides a rise in social standing, it simply doesn’t here, it makes one an object of derision.

... and in the last twelve years has made an art form of it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The jobsworth, the form filling, clipboard wielding bureaucrat is a national figure of fun and has been for generations. In a way that a bureaucrat in Sweden say, or Germany, simply is not. Such an occupation there provides a rise in social standing, it simply doesn’t here, it makes one an object of derision.</p>
<p>&#8230; and in the last twelve years has made an art form of it.</p>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/09/26/pollys-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-34666</link>
		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 16:49:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The british people are, to generalise, both more individualistic and more (socially) liberal than the governments who always get inflicted upon us. The problem, it seems to me, is anglospheric in nature. Not long after the individualist/liberal idea came up, a furious reaction arose against it, which manifested as religious revivalism and a strange elitist form of secular socialism/statism, the two of whch rapidly came to dominate the &quot;ideological hegemony&quot; in the C19. This was what &quot;Victorian Values&quot; was. A similar reaction occurred across the anglosphere, particularly in the USA. The consequences of it are what drive anglopsheric statism to this day.

A puritanical public morality, &quot;philanthropy&quot;, and hysterical level of interventionist busybodyism, temperance and so on. It&#039;s not &quot;social democracy&quot; as such, as experience on the continent, it is somewhat different, since it is primarily driven by elite moral(ist) values rather than by the more economic focus of continental socialisms. So in economic terms, anglo-socialists don&#039;t bring in some particular economic policy to achieve an economic end, it is to demonstrate some virtuous moral quality. You don&#039;t tax the rich for economic reasons (though that may be trotted out as a feeble excuse), you tax them because it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a camel, eye of the needle, blah de blah.

This is one reason anglo-statism is so inept at achieving any positive results. It&#039;s not being done for practical purposes, but for virtue alone. The vicarish Blair and Brown perfectly examplify &quot;our&quot; socialism with their public espousals of their religiosity and moral compasses etc.

Sadly this anglo-socialist view is now becoming globally hegemonic (largely due to american power), thus the global epidemic of greenism for instance (greenism being the very perfect exemplar of anglo-moralism; puritanical, miserablist, self denialist and self-deprecatory. It&#039;s nutball protestantism without God).

The elite are trying to morally reform us. They aren&#039;t driven by a desire to achieve good practical results, but by a fanatical desire to save our souls. That&#039;s why it&#039;s such a constant pigging disaster.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The british people are, to generalise, both more individualistic and more (socially) liberal than the governments who always get inflicted upon us. The problem, it seems to me, is anglospheric in nature. Not long after the individualist/liberal idea came up, a furious reaction arose against it, which manifested as religious revivalism and a strange elitist form of secular socialism/statism, the two of whch rapidly came to dominate the &#8220;ideological hegemony&#8221; in the C19. This was what &#8220;Victorian Values&#8221; was. A similar reaction occurred across the anglosphere, particularly in the USA. The consequences of it are what drive anglopsheric statism to this day.</p>
<p>A puritanical public morality, &#8220;philanthropy&#8221;, and hysterical level of interventionist busybodyism, temperance and so on. It&#8217;s not &#8220;social democracy&#8221; as such, as experience on the continent, it is somewhat different, since it is primarily driven by elite moral(ist) values rather than by the more economic focus of continental socialisms. So in economic terms, anglo-socialists don&#8217;t bring in some particular economic policy to achieve an economic end, it is to demonstrate some virtuous moral quality. You don&#8217;t tax the rich for economic reasons (though that may be trotted out as a feeble excuse), you tax them because it is harder for a rich man to enter the kingdom of heaven than a camel, eye of the needle, blah de blah.</p>
<p>This is one reason anglo-statism is so inept at achieving any positive results. It&#8217;s not being done for practical purposes, but for virtue alone. The vicarish Blair and Brown perfectly examplify &#8220;our&#8221; socialism with their public espousals of their religiosity and moral compasses etc.</p>
<p>Sadly this anglo-socialist view is now becoming globally hegemonic (largely due to american power), thus the global epidemic of greenism for instance (greenism being the very perfect exemplar of anglo-moralism; puritanical, miserablist, self denialist and self-deprecatory. It&#8217;s nutball protestantism without God).</p>
<p>The elite are trying to morally reform us. They aren&#8217;t driven by a desire to achieve good practical results, but by a fanatical desire to save our souls. That&#8217;s why it&#8217;s such a constant pigging disaster.</p>
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		<title>By: View from the Solent</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/09/26/pollys-mistake/comment-page-1/#comment-34664</link>
		<dc:creator>View from the Solent</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Sep 2009 15:37:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Typo in your strapline.  Shouldn&#039;t it be
&quot;Polly’s a mistake&quot;  ?</description>
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&#8220;Polly’s a mistake&#8221;  ?</p>
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