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		<title>By: This guy won&#8217;t let you comment on his site if you are a libertarian &#8220;abuser&#8221;&#8230;. &#171; The Libertarian Alliance: BLOG</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32075</link>
		<dc:creator>This guy won&#8217;t let you comment on his site if you are a libertarian &#8220;abuser&#8221;&#8230;. &#171; The Libertarian Alliance: BLOG</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 13:33:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] heard about this from Tim Worstall just now. There is now an opportunity to do stuff about this Richard Murphy fellow, of whom I confess I have [...]</description>
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		<title>By: Dan</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32058</link>
		<dc:creator>Dan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 10:14:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&#039;Socially violent&#039; immediately brings to mind the point that Hayek made about &#039;social&#039; being a weasel word. 

&lt;i&gt;&quot;it has in fact become the most harmful instance of what, after Shakespeare&#039;s &#039;I can suck melancholy out of a song, as a weasel sucks eggs&#039;, some Americans call a &#039;weasel word&#039;. As a weasel is alleged to be able to empty an egg without leaving a visible sign, so can these words deprive of content any term to which they are prefixed while seemingly leaving them untouched. A weasel word is used to draw the teeth from a concept one is obliged to employ, but from which one wishes to eliminate all implications that challenge one&#039;s ideological premises.&lt;/i&gt;

That last sentence sounds eerily familiar.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8216;Socially violent&#8217; immediately brings to mind the point that Hayek made about &#8217;social&#8217; being a weasel word. </p>
<p><i>&#8220;it has in fact become the most harmful instance of what, after Shakespeare&#8217;s &#8216;I can suck melancholy out of a song, as a weasel sucks eggs&#8217;, some Americans call a &#8216;weasel word&#8217;. As a weasel is alleged to be able to empty an egg without leaving a visible sign, so can these words deprive of content any term to which they are prefixed while seemingly leaving them untouched. A weasel word is used to draw the teeth from a concept one is obliged to employ, but from which one wishes to eliminate all implications that challenge one&#8217;s ideological premises.</i></p>
<p>That last sentence sounds eerily familiar.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiny Norman</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32033</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiny Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 03:35:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I wonder if Murphy knows the difference between a &quot;libertarian&quot; and an &quot;anarchist&quot;. It certainly doesn&#039;t appear that way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I wonder if Murphy knows the difference between a &#8220;libertarian&#8221; and an &#8220;anarchist&#8221;. It certainly doesn&#8217;t appear that way.</p>
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		<title>By: DocBud</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32032</link>
		<dc:creator>DocBud</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 14 Jul 2009 01:11:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ah, I wondered who was in the institution for the terminally confused cell next door, Kit.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ah, I wondered who was in the institution for the terminally confused cell next door, Kit.</p>
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		<title>By: Longrider &#187; More Arse</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32030</link>
		<dc:creator>Longrider &#187; More Arse</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 23:56:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] see that others have picked up on Richard Murphy&#8217;s latest little&#160;temper [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] see that others have picked up on Richard Murphy&rsquo;s latest little&nbsp;temper [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis The Peasant</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32029</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis The Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:53:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Anon-

I&#039;d guess the desperation and nastiness stem from the very small number of hits his blog actually gets. Our Dickie doesn&#039;t suffer the foolishness of mere mortals with much grace.</description>
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<p>I&#8217;d guess the desperation and nastiness stem from the very small number of hits his blog actually gets. Our Dickie doesn&#8217;t suffer the foolishness of mere mortals with much grace.</p>
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		<title>By: Dennis The Peasant</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32028</link>
		<dc:creator>Dennis The Peasant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:50:19 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>News Flash:

Besides being a moron, Our Dickie is also an intolerant, self-satisfied twat.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>News Flash:</p>
<p>Besides being a moron, Our Dickie is also an intolerant, self-satisfied twat.</p>
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		<title>By: Spiny Norman</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32027</link>
		<dc:creator>Spiny Norman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:18:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Funny how the old idea that &quot;the government which governs best, governs least&quot; now equals &quot;smash the state!&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Funny how the old idea that &#8220;the government which governs best, governs least&#8221; now equals &#8220;smash the state!&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32026</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 22:11:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@20 &#039;politely&#039; might sometimes be a stretch, but kind words appreciated. &amp; yes, I&#039;m fairly sure that in Mr Murphy&#039;s world I&#039;d be lined up with y&#039;all, Nick Griffin and anyone else who suggests the use of logic, sanity, etc as an Enemy Of Good Stuff.

I suppose Tim deserves some credit for not making the main point that I saw in the linked Richie post, that seriously religious types tend to go for authoritarian bollocks irrespective of their nominal party allegiance...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@20 &#8216;politely&#8217; might sometimes be a stretch, but kind words appreciated. &amp; yes, I&#8217;m fairly sure that in Mr Murphy&#8217;s world I&#8217;d be lined up with y&#8217;all, Nick Griffin and anyone else who suggests the use of logic, sanity, etc as an Enemy Of Good Stuff.</p>
<p>I suppose Tim deserves some credit for not making the main point that I saw in the linked Richie post, that seriously religious types tend to go for authoritarian bollocks irrespective of their nominal party allegiance&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: PC</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32024</link>
		<dc:creator>PC</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 21:01:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I imagine Tim&#039;s commentariat would be most put out if they couldn&#039;t use the Guardian&#039;s conveniences!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I imagine Tim&#8217;s commentariat would be most put out if they couldn&#8217;t use the Guardian&#8217;s conveniences!</p>
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		<title>By: Bishop Hill</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32023</link>
		<dc:creator>Bishop Hill</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 19:46:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I do like the bit at the end about being &quot;thrown off the Guardian bogs&quot; though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do like the bit at the end about being &#8220;thrown off the Guardian bogs&#8221; though.</p>
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		<title>By: Anon</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32020</link>
		<dc:creator>Anon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:56:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whilst he has never been one able to write with any eloquence or authority, it is noticeable how his tone has become increasingly nasty and desparate of late.  

I remain of the view that he has yet to succeed in converting any dissenters to his view of the world, which makes you wonder why he sees fit to bother.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whilst he has never been one able to write with any eloquence or authority, it is noticeable how his tone has become increasingly nasty and desparate of late.  </p>
<p>I remain of the view that he has yet to succeed in converting any dissenters to his view of the world, which makes you wonder why he sees fit to bother.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32019</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 17:25:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ritchie Boy is a weapons-grade cock-end. We all hold this truth to be self-evident.

john b is not a WGCE. For many reasons, not least of which is his ability to come to this blog and make his argument politely. And also because if the revolution came then he would speak up for any of us (Ritchie Boy, I feel confident to say, would be wearing a peaked cap and carrying a revolver to finish off the wounded.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ritchie Boy is a weapons-grade cock-end. We all hold this truth to be self-evident.</p>
<p>john b is not a WGCE. For many reasons, not least of which is his ability to come to this blog and make his argument politely. And also because if the revolution came then he would speak up for any of us (Ritchie Boy, I feel confident to say, would be wearing a peaked cap and carrying a revolver to finish off the wounded.)</p>
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		<title>By: David Gillies</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32014</link>
		<dc:creator>David Gillies</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 16:30:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am not an enemy of civilised society. I am an enemy of Richard fucking Murphy, the horrid authoritarian cock-sniffer.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am not an enemy of civilised society. I am an enemy of Richard fucking Murphy, the horrid authoritarian cock-sniffer.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:13:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Fair cop. I am that strawman. I do think social security, health and education could be done better by unions, mutual societies, charities, individuals and even evil big business. 
Only the law and defence is best done by &quot;the State&quot; although the actions of the current government has weakened my belief in this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Fair cop. I am that strawman. I do think social security, health and education could be done better by unions, mutual societies, charities, individuals and even evil big business.<br />
Only the law and defence is best done by &#8220;the State&#8221; although the actions of the current government has weakened my belief in this.</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32009</link>
		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 14:06:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So says arsehole of this parish  John B who  adopts typically authoritarian  not to say  mewingly  precious  attitudes  on his own auto celebratory  dump . We can safely say  whatever definition there is of freedom it does not include him.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So says arsehole of this parish  John B who  adopts typically authoritarian  not to say  mewingly  precious  attitudes  on his own auto celebratory  dump . We can safely say  whatever definition there is of freedom it does not include him.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32007</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 13:26:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Luis is right here. For further proof that Richie&#039;s adversaries aren&#039;t entirely made of straw, see: any thread at Samizdata.

@11 amuses me, too. It reminds me of the arguments people used to make for utopian socialism...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Luis is right here. For further proof that Richie&#8217;s adversaries aren&#8217;t entirely made of straw, see: any thread at Samizdata.</p>
<p>@11 amuses me, too. It reminds me of the arguments people used to make for utopian socialism&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/13/strawman-alert/comment-page-1/#comment-32005</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:52:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim &amp; others, while agree on your points re Ritchie and his black-white view of society (state = good, private = bad), it is also true to say that there are plenty of such people (whether dozens of thousands is unknown) as he refers to, although maybe mental patients have better access to the internet than they used to.

@ Tristan, yes, of course there are lots of things that the State does which are inimical to a free society (whether culturally or economically) but the distinction between &#039;civilisation&#039; and &#039;state&#039; in itself is somewhat artificial; once you have &#039;civilisation&#039; you have, by very definition, &#039;a State&#039;, i.e. some means whereby those people who break the generally accepted rules (written or unwritten) are punished (by whatever means).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim &amp; others, while agree on your points re Ritchie and his black-white view of society (state = good, private = bad), it is also true to say that there are plenty of such people (whether dozens of thousands is unknown) as he refers to, although maybe mental patients have better access to the internet than they used to.</p>
<p>@ Tristan, yes, of course there are lots of things that the State does which are inimical to a free society (whether culturally or economically) but the distinction between &#8216;civilisation&#8217; and &#8217;state&#8217; in itself is somewhat artificial; once you have &#8216;civilisation&#8217; you have, by very definition, &#8216;a State&#8217;, i.e. some means whereby those people who break the generally accepted rules (written or unwritten) are punished (by whatever means).</p>
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		<title>By: Newmania</title>
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		<dc:creator>Newmania</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:37:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I rather like left and right labels    that way we know what we are talking about . Good thing no ?I read that essay  well struggled though some of it  and I like this  Those  who do not  agree are .


&quot;Conservatives darkened the ideological atmosphere with obscurantist calls for romanticism, tradition, theocracy, and irrationalism.  &quot; 


Shorn on the  amusingly pejorative  tone that would   be the Party aware of the emotional spiritual and dimenions  of a  man  .The one that does not treat people as rational units  which , I have to say  it is screamingly fucking obvious they are not  , thank god .  Far from being dead or dying Conservatism  is reborn  and triumphant.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I rather like left and right labels    that way we know what we are talking about . Good thing no ?I read that essay  well struggled though some of it  and I like this  Those  who do not  agree are .</p>
<p>&#8220;Conservatives darkened the ideological atmosphere with obscurantist calls for romanticism, tradition, theocracy, and irrationalism.  &#8221; </p>
<p>Shorn on the  amusingly pejorative  tone that would   be the Party aware of the emotional spiritual and dimenions  of a  man  .The one that does not treat people as rational units  which , I have to say  it is screamingly fucking obvious they are not  , thank god .  Far from being dead or dying Conservatism  is reborn  and triumphant.</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 13 Jul 2009 12:10:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;People like Ritchie have such a negative view of humanity...&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

And a corresponding hugely favourable view of their &lt;i&gt;own&lt;/i&gt; attributes. 

Not one backed up by objective fact, mind...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;People like Ritchie have such a negative view of humanity&#8230;&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>And a corresponding hugely favourable view of their <i>own</i> attributes. </p>
<p>Not one backed up by objective fact, mind&#8230;</p>
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