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	<title>Comments on: Oh dear God Almighty, the stupid, stupid fuckers&#8230;.</title>
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		<title>By: gene berman</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2009/07/09/oh-dear-god-almighty-the-stupid-stupid-fuckers/comment-page-1/#comment-31919</link>
		<dc:creator>gene berman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 12 Jul 2009 00:20:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Ian B.:

The situation in the U.S. is not that much better. The principal difference (in portent for the future) is that: 1.) those who understand seem to be a somewhat larger portion of the population here; and, 2.) they have guns.</description>
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<p>The situation in the U.S. is not that much better. The principal difference (in portent for the future) is that: 1.) those who understand seem to be a somewhat larger portion of the population here; and, 2.) they have guns.</p>
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		<title>By: Little Black Sambo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Little Black Sambo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 11 Jul 2009 00:59:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What Ian B says. Hear, hear!</description>
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		<title>By: Surreptitious Evil</title>
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		<dc:creator>Surreptitious Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 17:05:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I believe that if the UK government wish to allow discrimination against BNP members in any way shape or form (membership of the police, teaching, ballet dancer, MEP, whatever) then they should have the courage of their convictions and ban them.

And accept the enormous HRA Article 14 (I think 10 &amp; 11 also apply) case that would result.  They would then need to prove that the ban was &quot;(i&gt;necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.&lt;/i&gt;&quot;

They might have a push at the last - although I don&#039;t think it necessary.

@Ian B - it really doesn&#039;t matter what I think of the BNP.  Or anybody thinks of them.  As long as they do not break the law (or, in certain cases which I am not happy about, advocate breaking the law or support law-breakers.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I believe that if the UK government wish to allow discrimination against BNP members in any way shape or form (membership of the police, teaching, ballet dancer, MEP, whatever) then they should have the courage of their convictions and ban them.</p>
<p>And accept the enormous HRA Article 14 (I think 10 &amp; 11 also apply) case that would result.  They would then need to prove that the ban was &#8220;(i&gt;necessary in a democratic society in the interests of national security or public safety, for the prevention of disorder or crime, for the protection of health or morals or for the protection of the rights and freedoms of others.&#8221;</p>
<p>They might have a push at the last &#8211; although I don&#8217;t think it necessary.</p>
<p>@Ian B &#8211; it really doesn&#8217;t matter what I think of the BNP.  Or anybody thinks of them.  As long as they do not break the law (or, in certain cases which I am not happy about, advocate breaking the law or support law-breakers.)</p>
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		<title>By: Serf</title>
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		<dc:creator>Serf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:43:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lets be honest, in the competition between meglomaniniac idiots, Gordon Brown is head and shoulders above anything that Nick Griffen could dream of. 

That (apart from the sheer insult to liberal democracy) is what pisses me off about this BNP malarky.

So the BNP would discriminate against certain people given the chance. Bah Humbug. Labour discriminates against those it doesn&#039;t like, right now, and all the time. And they are in power. &lt;b&gt;Its like Harold Shipman denouncing someone for conspiracy to murder. &lt;/b&gt;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lets be honest, in the competition between meglomaniniac idiots, Gordon Brown is head and shoulders above anything that Nick Griffen could dream of. </p>
<p>That (apart from the sheer insult to liberal democracy) is what pisses me off about this BNP malarky.</p>
<p>So the BNP would discriminate against certain people given the chance. Bah Humbug. Labour discriminates against those it doesn&#8217;t like, right now, and all the time. And they are in power. <b>Its like Harold Shipman denouncing someone for conspiracy to murder. </b></p>
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		<title>By: Zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:31:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>As Tim alluded with the Prescott comment, if facilities/legalities are withdrawn from &#039;dumb shits&#039; then this govt is in serious trouble...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As Tim alluded with the Prescott comment, if facilities/legalities are withdrawn from &#8216;dumb shits&#8217; then this govt is in serious trouble&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Zorro</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zorro</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:30:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Seriously for a moment, _can_ the government _really_ be _that_ stupid?

Or are they _pushing_ the BNP vote for some reason?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Seriously for a moment, _can_ the government _really_ be _that_ stupid?</p>
<p>Or are they _pushing_ the BNP vote for some reason?</p>
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		<title>By: david</title>
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		<dc:creator>david</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:30:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It is indeed a tricky situation. On the one hand,   reduced to resorting to democratically electing  neo nazis, on the other a refusal of a democratically elected government to  accept that democracy should be respected. Sort of stinks of &#039;all voters are equal, but....&#039;.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It is indeed a tricky situation. On the one hand,   reduced to resorting to democratically electing  neo nazis, on the other a refusal of a democratically elected government to  accept that democracy should be respected. Sort of stinks of &#8216;all voters are equal, but&#8230;.&#8217;.</p>
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		<title>By: chas</title>
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		<dc:creator>chas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 10:08:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Nick should tell the EU Parliament that he is being discriminated against. That would raise quite a few laughs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Nick should tell the EU Parliament that he is being discriminated against. That would raise quite a few laughs.</p>
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		<title>By: The BNP, Europe, and the civil servants &#171; Curly&#8217;s Corner Shop, the blog!</title>
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		<dc:creator>The BNP, Europe, and the civil servants &#171; Curly&#8217;s Corner Shop, the blog!</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:57:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<title>By: Biffo</title>
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		<dc:creator>Biffo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 09:24:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So Brown &amp; his nasty little gang of low lives are intending to deny two legally elected MEPs, members of a legal UK political party, their rights as MEPs? M&#039;mm - really clever! Wonder what brainbox in NuLabour thought that one up? The BNP will be laughing all the way to the ballot box.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So Brown &amp; his nasty little gang of low lives are intending to deny two legally elected MEPs, members of a legal UK political party, their rights as MEPs? M&#8217;mm &#8211; really clever! Wonder what brainbox in NuLabour thought that one up? The BNP will be laughing all the way to the ballot box.</p>
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		<title>By: AntiCitizenOne</title>
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		<dc:creator>AntiCitizenOne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 10 Jul 2009 01:06:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I &quot;look forward&quot;* to the BNP doing this to the other parties if they win an election.

After all there is now a precedent.

Good move idiots.

*Sarcasm.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I &#8220;look forward&#8221;* to the BNP doing this to the other parties if they win an election.</p>
<p>After all there is now a precedent.</p>
<p>Good move idiots.</p>
<p>*Sarcasm.</p>
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		<title>By: MarkS</title>
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		<dc:creator>MarkS</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:53:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The establishment accuses the BNP of being a party that discriminates and wants to exclude a minority of the population from the mainstream. So how does Whitehall respond to the BNP&#039;s democratically elected members? By discriminating against them and excluding them from normal political life. Pure genius!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The establishment accuses the BNP of being a party that discriminates and wants to exclude a minority of the population from the mainstream. So how does Whitehall respond to the BNP&#8217;s democratically elected members? By discriminating against them and excluding them from normal political life. Pure genius!</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:23:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;I think it’s pretty sad that much of the commentary on this is of the “it won’t work, it’ll play into their hands” type rather than &lt;b&gt;the fundamental issue that this is deliberate discrimination against political representatives by the state&lt;/b&gt;.&quot;&lt;/i&gt; 

Well, can&#039;t speak for anyone else, but does the latter not pretty much go without saying? 

The usual suspects aren&#039;t likely to care, but if you point out that it isn&#039;t likely to give them the result they want &lt;i&gt;either&lt;/i&gt;, the more progress you&#039;&#039;ll make..</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;I think it’s pretty sad that much of the commentary on this is of the “it won’t work, it’ll play into their hands” type rather than <b>the fundamental issue that this is deliberate discrimination against political representatives by the state</b>.&#8221;</i> </p>
<p>Well, can&#8217;t speak for anyone else, but does the latter not pretty much go without saying? </p>
<p>The usual suspects aren&#8217;t likely to care, but if you point out that it isn&#8217;t likely to give them the result they want <i>either</i>, the more progress you&#8221;ll make..</p>
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		<title>By: Ian B</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ian B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 21:17:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I think it&#039;s pretty sad that much of the commentary on this is of the &quot;it won&#039;t work, it&#039;ll play into their hands&quot; type rather than the fundamental issue that this is deliberate discrimination against political representatives by the state. It is an indication of how deep our moral totalitarianism is now. Nobody dares mention the BNP without feeling obligated to prefix it with a disclaimer about how evil they are, etc etc.

We are in a deeply, deeply dangerous state. We have cast away any pretence of being some kind of a liberal democracy. The discrimination that our anglosocialist masters pretend to despise is now rooted into every part of our system, such that anyone found morally wanting, ranging from nationalists to smokers can be arbitrarily treated as inferiors by the state, and it is obligatory even for those of a liberal disposition who wish to mount some kind of defence to prefix it with a nullifying &quot;even though they&#039;re evil&quot;. We are in the grip of a moral hegemony of mediaeval ferocity.

It is deeply ironic, that the Left gained power by demanding liberal freedoms such as freedom of speech. Feeble attempts to oppose communism were labelled a &quot;witch hunt&quot;, even though those communists were attempting to impose a system of the most awful kind. If the BNP are beyond the pale, what of the young communists many of New Labour were members of in their youth?

I am not a BNP supporter, neither do I agree with them- ooh look, there&#039;s my obligatory disclaimer. But the state of our polity is now corrupted beyond recognition. There is no longer any illusion that it is liberal, democratic or representative. The post-marxist cultural hegemony is now absolute.

The future is a very scary place to contemplate.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think it&#8217;s pretty sad that much of the commentary on this is of the &#8220;it won&#8217;t work, it&#8217;ll play into their hands&#8221; type rather than the fundamental issue that this is deliberate discrimination against political representatives by the state. It is an indication of how deep our moral totalitarianism is now. Nobody dares mention the BNP without feeling obligated to prefix it with a disclaimer about how evil they are, etc etc.</p>
<p>We are in a deeply, deeply dangerous state. We have cast away any pretence of being some kind of a liberal democracy. The discrimination that our anglosocialist masters pretend to despise is now rooted into every part of our system, such that anyone found morally wanting, ranging from nationalists to smokers can be arbitrarily treated as inferiors by the state, and it is obligatory even for those of a liberal disposition who wish to mount some kind of defence to prefix it with a nullifying &#8220;even though they&#8217;re evil&#8221;. We are in the grip of a moral hegemony of mediaeval ferocity.</p>
<p>It is deeply ironic, that the Left gained power by demanding liberal freedoms such as freedom of speech. Feeble attempts to oppose communism were labelled a &#8220;witch hunt&#8221;, even though those communists were attempting to impose a system of the most awful kind. If the BNP are beyond the pale, what of the young communists many of New Labour were members of in their youth?</p>
<p>I am not a BNP supporter, neither do I agree with them- ooh look, there&#8217;s my obligatory disclaimer. But the state of our polity is now corrupted beyond recognition. There is no longer any illusion that it is liberal, democratic or representative. The post-marxist cultural hegemony is now absolute.</p>
<p>The future is a very scary place to contemplate.</p>
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		<title>By: Winston</title>
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		<dc:creator>Winston</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 20:27:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Oh great, the BNPs only trick to appeal to voters is to claim victim status, so how do the government treat them, they victimise them. Pure Genius.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Oh great, the BNPs only trick to appeal to voters is to claim victim status, so how do the government treat them, they victimise them. Pure Genius.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 18:31:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If they are cutting of social access, that is a private and personal matter, because there is no way the taxpayer should be funding their socialising. So let&#039;s put a stop to that across the board. 

As regards officials and the information they hold on the governance of the EU and the UK, it isn&#039;t theirs to grant, or withhold. If they fail to respond professionally to any request of that nature they should be fired for insubordination.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If they are cutting of social access, that is a private and personal matter, because there is no way the taxpayer should be funding their socialising. So let&#8217;s put a stop to that across the board. </p>
<p>As regards officials and the information they hold on the governance of the EU and the UK, it isn&#8217;t theirs to grant, or withhold. If they fail to respond professionally to any request of that nature they should be fired for insubordination.</p>
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		<title>By: Doug</title>
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		<dc:creator>Doug</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:40:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>C&#039;mon, since when has the civil service been non-political. It&#039;s employed by the state - that might give you a clue.
Never been anything but party political.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>C&#8217;mon, since when has the civil service been non-political. It&#8217;s employed by the state &#8211; that might give you a clue.<br />
Never been anything but party political.</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
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		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:23:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>More votes for the BNP heading down the pike.  Well done, Brown, well done indeed...

/golfclap</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>More votes for the BNP heading down the pike.  Well done, Brown, well done indeed&#8230;</p>
<p>/golfclap</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 17:21:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The &#039;crats ought to be made to treat all MEPs the same.  I suspect the BNP will have a case against them if they don&#039;t provide equal support to all MEPs.

But this also shows the extent to which our civil service has been degraded into a party political jamboree.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The &#8216;crats ought to be made to treat all MEPs the same.  I suspect the BNP will have a case against them if they don&#8217;t provide equal support to all MEPs.</p>
<p>But this also shows the extent to which our civil service has been degraded into a party political jamboree.</p>
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		<title>By: Kit</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 09 Jul 2009 16:54:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Human Rights lawyers will rubbing their hands with glee.</description>
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