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	<description>It is all obvious or trivial except...</description>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 21:09:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This afternoon I wen&#039;t to our local Gala, (very well run, excellent turnout, everyone having a good time), and the organisers had to be insured. Despite this the event was free, you only had to pay for what you bought at the stalls. It was run to support the RNLI. (The same people who leap into a rescue boat and save your kid&#039;s life after you let him play on a bloody sandbank. But it could have been the hospital League of Friends, or the Legion.)

On the way there, I had called in at the supermarket. Again it was busy, lots of families. Kids playing outside. Youngest nipper I saw was pre-school I would say. They were playing on the safety railings that seperate the pavement from a busy main road. Their parents weren&#039;t even line of sight.  An old bloke said &quot;I&#039;d tell the little buggers to get off the railings and stay on the pavement, but I&#039;d probably get arrested for interfering with children.&quot;

We are too ignorant about risk, and too reliant on &quot;them&quot;, whoever they are.  This makes our society more dangerous, not less.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This afternoon I wen&#8217;t to our local Gala, (very well run, excellent turnout, everyone having a good time), and the organisers had to be insured. Despite this the event was free, you only had to pay for what you bought at the stalls. It was run to support the RNLI. (The same people who leap into a rescue boat and save your kid&#8217;s life after you let him play on a bloody sandbank. But it could have been the hospital League of Friends, or the Legion.)</p>
<p>On the way there, I had called in at the supermarket. Again it was busy, lots of families. Kids playing outside. Youngest nipper I saw was pre-school I would say. They were playing on the safety railings that seperate the pavement from a busy main road. Their parents weren&#8217;t even line of sight.  An old bloke said &#8220;I&#8217;d tell the little buggers to get off the railings and stay on the pavement, but I&#8217;d probably get arrested for interfering with children.&#8221;</p>
<p>We are too ignorant about risk, and too reliant on &#8220;them&#8221;, whoever they are.  This makes our society more dangerous, not less.</p>
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		<title>By: The Great Simpleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 20:17:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Monty is right and we should blame Thatcher, yes really, for it was her Government that introduced &quot;no win, no fee&quot; litigation. This allowed lawyers to set unreasonably high expectations and the greedy to think that there was such a thing as a free lunch.

It doesn&#039;t matter that most of the frivolous claims are thrown out, every time we get a headline of someone suing because the damaged an ingrowing toe nail walking along the pavement it encourges yet more claims.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Monty is right and we should blame Thatcher, yes really, for it was her Government that introduced &#8220;no win, no fee&#8221; litigation. This allowed lawyers to set unreasonably high expectations and the greedy to think that there was such a thing as a free lunch.</p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t matter that most of the frivolous claims are thrown out, every time we get a headline of someone suing because the damaged an ingrowing toe nail walking along the pavement it encourges yet more claims.</p>
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		<title>By: Steve Hemingway</title>
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		<dc:creator>Steve Hemingway</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 19:35:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is truly tragic.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is truly tragic.</p>
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		<title>By: Monty</title>
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		<dc:creator>Monty</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 18:33:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is partly our own fault, as ordinary members of the public. We have become litigious, and we reject our own responsibility for our own thrills and spills because of the temptation to sue someone else if things go wrong. It is time we were made to resume our own responsibility, as individuals, parents and guardians. Especially when we are dealing with not-for-profit associations, which should not be obliged to provide insurance, security guards, or any associated pallaver unless they are charging an entrance fee.

The other side of the coin is that the presence of liability insurance cover is not an indicator of safety anyway, and we shouldn&#039;t blindly waltz in without making our own common-sense assessment of how well things are being run. If the people caught up in the Bradford Football stadium fire had only looked around, they should have noticed that they were sitting on a timber staging with an accumulation of fine kindling underneath them. 

We have a responsibility to think. And if we shirk our responsibilities, we  have to accept all the restrictions that nanny applies to our lives.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is partly our own fault, as ordinary members of the public. We have become litigious, and we reject our own responsibility for our own thrills and spills because of the temptation to sue someone else if things go wrong. It is time we were made to resume our own responsibility, as individuals, parents and guardians. Especially when we are dealing with not-for-profit associations, which should not be obliged to provide insurance, security guards, or any associated pallaver unless they are charging an entrance fee.</p>
<p>The other side of the coin is that the presence of liability insurance cover is not an indicator of safety anyway, and we shouldn&#8217;t blindly waltz in without making our own common-sense assessment of how well things are being run. If the people caught up in the Bradford Football stadium fire had only looked around, they should have noticed that they were sitting on a timber staging with an accumulation of fine kindling underneath them. </p>
<p>We have a responsibility to think. And if we shirk our responsibilities, we  have to accept all the restrictions that nanny applies to our lives.</p>
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		<title>By: Chris Gilmour</title>
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		<dc:creator>Chris Gilmour</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 15:38:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>What happens if you have the village fete without any permissions or insurance and just ran away if the polis turned up?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>What happens if you have the village fete without any permissions or insurance and just ran away if the polis turned up?</p>
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		<title>By: jus'askin</title>
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		<dc:creator>jus'askin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 09:38:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Has anyone information on how other countries approach these activities?

The small french village (pop400-500 including surrounding farms) where I&#039;ve spent the last year hosts a summer &amp; a winter fair both of which involve blocking the road through with dodgems  &amp; roundabouts plus a couple of smaller events. Other villages in the area are much the same  &amp; the  small market town seems to have something on every other week.
A quick phone call, filtered through my lousy french, seems to indicate that events are initiated at commune level &amp; then the responsibility for  all this crap is bucked upwards through the admin levels through to department. It&#039;s regarded as a service, which is what local taxes are paid for.
OK, France can be a bureaucracy ridden nightmare but our maire is someone I say bonjour to every day &amp; she does have real power. If you want something to happen, you start with her &amp; can get a result within a couple of days.

Peripherally, a big sport in Flanders is archery.* Except they do it vertically, firing at targets on the top of a 90&#039; tower. Most fine evenings in villages throughout the region, the local youth can be found practising with blunted arrows flying hundreds of feet into the air &amp; several tons of steel tower being winched up &amp; down to replace targets. Totally unsupervised. I imagine a UK safety elf would give birth to a perfectly formed kitten just thinking about it.

*http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popinjay_(sport)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Has anyone information on how other countries approach these activities?</p>
<p>The small french village (pop400-500 including surrounding farms) where I&#8217;ve spent the last year hosts a summer &amp; a winter fair both of which involve blocking the road through with dodgems  &amp; roundabouts plus a couple of smaller events. Other villages in the area are much the same  &amp; the  small market town seems to have something on every other week.<br />
A quick phone call, filtered through my lousy french, seems to indicate that events are initiated at commune level &amp; then the responsibility for  all this crap is bucked upwards through the admin levels through to department. It&#8217;s regarded as a service, which is what local taxes are paid for.<br />
OK, France can be a bureaucracy ridden nightmare but our maire is someone I say bonjour to every day &amp; she does have real power. If you want something to happen, you start with her &amp; can get a result within a couple of days.</p>
<p>Peripherally, a big sport in Flanders is archery.* Except they do it vertically, firing at targets on the top of a 90&#8242; tower. Most fine evenings in villages throughout the region, the local youth can be found practising with blunted arrows flying hundreds of feet into the air &amp; several tons of steel tower being winched up &amp; down to replace targets. Totally unsupervised. I imagine a UK safety elf would give birth to a perfectly formed kitten just thinking about it.</p>
<p>*<a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popinjay_(sport)" rel="nofollow">http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Popinjay_(sport)</a></p>
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		<title>By: Pat</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pat</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 05 Jul 2009 08:13:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bureaucrats are just doing the best job they can get in order to earn money- and from my experience they take no more joy of it for the most part than the above mentioned press officer.
I would suggest that the insurance companies just might have lobbied a teensy bit to make insurance compulsory- and might even have suggested extra requirements to make everyone super safe- and improve their chances of avoiding a payout.
And of course local politicians want to be seen to be safeguarding the local community- so they want all this in place- after all when something goes wrong the papers will be screaming it&#039;s their fault. Its a rare politician who says that nothing could have been done to prevent such and such tragedy- which is mostly the case.
What is needed is that every time there is a disaster, however caused, a flood of letters go to papers pointing out forcibly that no government action could have stopped this and could they please stop wasting everyone&#039;s time and money pretending to.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bureaucrats are just doing the best job they can get in order to earn money- and from my experience they take no more joy of it for the most part than the above mentioned press officer.<br />
I would suggest that the insurance companies just might have lobbied a teensy bit to make insurance compulsory- and might even have suggested extra requirements to make everyone super safe- and improve their chances of avoiding a payout.<br />
And of course local politicians want to be seen to be safeguarding the local community- so they want all this in place- after all when something goes wrong the papers will be screaming it&#8217;s their fault. Its a rare politician who says that nothing could have been done to prevent such and such tragedy- which is mostly the case.<br />
What is needed is that every time there is a disaster, however caused, a flood of letters go to papers pointing out forcibly that no government action could have stopped this and could they please stop wasting everyone&#8217;s time and money pretending to.</p>
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