Tim Worstall

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The government on drugs

April 19th, 2009 · 9 Comments

Dear God Almighty. Someone has been smoking some serious shit.

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  • 1 Mark Reckons // Apr 19, 2009 at 10:07 am

    Great stuff Tim. I have posted myself about this here and linked to your post here too.

  • 2 Mark Reckons // Apr 19, 2009 at 10:08 am

    Er, Here: http://markreckons.blogspot.com/2009/04/sensible-advice-on-drugs-scandal.html

  • 3 Jock // Apr 19, 2009 at 10:26 am

    I suppose that having scared the poor dears s**tless with their TV advertising the least they can do is calm them down with a bit of truth for those who worried enough actually to call them.

  • 4 Dave H. // Apr 19, 2009 at 10:34 am

    “The withdrawals of alcohol are worse than heroine for example; people can die when they become addicted to alcohol and stop suddenly.”

    As you say, these people are spreading poisonous garbage, but that particular remark is strictly speaking true. Heroin withdrawal is unpleasant but survivable. Alcohol withdrawal plays havoc with the heart.

    Without treatment, mortality from the DTs is around 30%.

    The difference with alcohol is, of course, that the vast majority of drinkers never become physically addicted to the stuff. I rather suspect that isn’t true for heroin.

    Tim adds: Dave, you seem to have missed my point. All of the things that Frank says there are true, including that booze and the DTs one.

    I’m personally deeply unconvinced that heroin is physically addictive: psychologically, yes, certainly, but not physically.

  • 5 Pat // Apr 19, 2009 at 10:45 am

    Look on the bright side- the more people hear the truth the greater the chance of heading off the moral panic. Politicians react to what they think people think- but they live in a bubble and don’t actually know what people think. They’ll change tack when they don’t get the answer they expect.
    p.s. re Heroin- I seem to recall that addicted vietnam veterans managed to quit in the main without massive problems.

  • 6 Kit // Apr 19, 2009 at 10:54 am

    @Jock

    The scary TV ads are aimed towards Daily Mail readers and Labour leaning voters.

  • 7 Tim Almond // Apr 19, 2009 at 12:42 pm

    I thought that ecstacy had problems in areas such as memory and cognitive functions?

    But yes, cannabis should of course by class C, seeing how that’s what the toxicologists said it should be.

  • 8 Ian B // Apr 19, 2009 at 1:55 pm

    Tim Almond, the “destroys the brain” stuff about ecstasy comes from a study in which primate brains were show to be horribly damaged by it, and was picked up on rapidly by temperance campaigners. What hasn’t been widely publicised is the “erratum”; the scientists discovered they’d got a mislabelled bottle in the lab and had been injecting their primates with high doses of methamphetamine, and issued a full retraction of the study.

    That was good science- to admit a genuine mistake. But campaigners don’t care about that. The scare is more important.

    http://www.erowid.org/chemicals/mdma/mdma_research2.shtml

  • 9 Frank // Apr 20, 2009 at 11:53 am

    “p.s. re Heroin- I seem to recall that addicted vietnam veterans managed to quit in the main without massive problems.”

    I imagine US soldiers were given medical-quality heroin, which all junkies used up until around the 60s. It’s really no different from morphine, not *that* bad for you, and not as addictive as people make out. However, the crudely-refined brown shit we get from Afghanistan nowadays is a very different kettle of fish.

    It’s the same with any drug – the better quality the stuff, the fewer bad side effects. That’s why you get worse hangovers with cheap and nasty booze than you get with more expensive stuff.

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