Comments on: Oh fuck off, really, just fuck off.

By: Lost-in-America

Lost-in-America — Mon, 03 Nov 2008 06:32:55 +0000

I feel so saddened by the fact that not only is this happening in America but other countries will be doing the same. I don’t even know anyone in this country that supports the Patriot Act which is anything but, HR 1955 SR1959, or any of the atrocities carried out by this f*cked up ‘government’ around the world. When will they ever stop?

By: clem

clem — Tue, 28 Oct 2008 22:30:59 +0000

terrorists and criminals have access to fake passports and other documents, so who the fuck are the government trying to kid!?!
this is all about gathering information on all of us then sell it to the highest bidder.
terrorism ended in this country when the ira laid down thier weapons and joined parliament.
remember,guy fawkes was the only person to enter parliament with true intentions.

By: Dave Page

Dave Page — Tue, 21 Oct 2008 12:26:43 +0000

You need a passport to get a mobile.

You need an ID card to get a passport.

This is simply a way to accellerate the “compulsion by stealth” of the entire population onto the National Identity Register, the biggest and most intrusive Government database outside of China. This is the way to get people who don’t leave the country and don’t go to University.

This really is time to join NO2ID if you haven’t already, and give some time and money to opposing these schemes.

By: Frank Fisher

Frank Fisher — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 11:57:52 +0000

As Kay Tie says, this is just a measure that is being suggested to show a “use” for ID cards. The original govt line, that you’d never need the damn things, is unravelling as they seek to show need. So we get suggestions of needing to show id when you rent a house, take a hotel room, buy a phone – all to counter terrorism, natch. Then there will be show an ID card when you sign up with an ISP – to stop turrsm and that pesky child porn – eventually, swipe your ID before you even connect to the net, anywhere – ditto.

Watch the tories. Watch them. If they renege on ID cards, that IS IT! That signals there is not even a trace of democracy in the UK and we are just cattle. Watch them. If they pull a switch on ID cards, that’s the moment to gather milkbottles and unleaded.

By: Zorro

Zorro — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:39:27 +0000

OH are you sure it’s just going to be a walk?

What’s the point if we don’t kill every one of the fuckers?

Seriously, I think it’s getting to that time. I’ll bring the rope, Boris can provide the lampposts.

By: Zorro

Zorro — Mon, 20 Oct 2008 10:38:23 +0000

First thought, time to stack up on a load of pre-pay sims and cheapo phones. Lots of money to be made if this is ever implemented.

Second thought. Fuck. Time to set fire to the houses of parliament. All we need to do is make sure the entire labour party is in there. Cunts. Excuse my french.

By: Kay Tie

Kay Tie — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:42:51 +0000

“If your mobile phone is on, I can find you to within 7 metres.”

Where cell density is high. In the boonies accuracy drops to miles. But your point stands: this is about tracking the population as a whole and most of the population lives in the cities.

By: Old Holborn

Old Holborn — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:22:06 +0000

Pravda’s version

Worth a read. Especially regarding IMEI numbers. Anyone attending my walk on the 5th November would be well advised to turn their mobiles off or leave them at home.

http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/technology/4738219.stm

By: Old Holborn

Old Holborn — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:18:43 +0000

Trixy.

If your mobile phone is on, I can find you to within 7 metres.

Right now. On software from the internet.

http://www.mobilelocators.com/how.php

By: Trixy

Trixy — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 20:06:02 +0000

My bloody phone doesn’t take photos I can use in any case but still, it’s good to know I can’t be tracked when I try to take a photo of my hanging baskets.

By: Eva

Eva — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 19:19:02 +0000

@JuliaM

Probably, but we can hope. In the meantime, we have politicians…;-)

By: Kay Tie

Kay Tie — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 17:14:13 +0000

“I did hear the other day that when someone takes a photo on a phone it’s tracked on GPS or somesuch. Can anyone confirm?”

That’s geotagging: some phones support it. It’s so that you can find out where you took your holiday snaps. It’s only in some phones (with GPS), and only then if the damned phone works properly (I’m looking at you, Nokia).

For the first time in ages with this stinking Government I’m able to say “nothing to see here”.

By: Trixy

Trixy — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:57:45 +0000

Right, time to dig out my old French and Belgian SIM cards, although given that this is all stemming from the EU I suspect they won’t be safe for much longer.

I did hear the other day that when someone takes a photo on a phone it’s tracked on GPS or somesuch. Can anyone confirm?

By: Old Holborn

Old Holborn — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 16:24:46 +0000

Well I’ve had enough of this bollocks

DO SOMETHING

By: JuliaM

JuliaM — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 15:29:11 +0000

But hopefully wrong about the giant spacefaring maneating insects…?

By: Eva

Eva — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:17:33 +0000

@Kay Tie

In the US under 21s already can’t buy booze in supermarkets. In some states (Oregon for one) minors aren’t even allowed to *enter* the state stores that sell hard liquor (as opposed to wine).

And re giant databases, a re-read of Heinlein is always interesting as he’s been right about most developments technical & social so far.

By: marksany

marksany — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 13:03:00 +0000

Slowly the UK is morphing into Brazil (Terry Gilliam’s)

1984: it’s not supposed to be a fucking manual. It’s a warning.

By: Kay Tie

Kay Tie — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:54:47 +0000

“The modern US was made by two unconstitutional actions, Louisiana Purchase and the Civil War.”

And the Indian Wars. Yes, paper ultimately can’t stop an overly powerful executive. Vastly better than what we have now, though.

By: Kay Tie

Kay Tie — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:50:25 +0000

“Next we will have to register our email addresses because terrorists and criminals use the internet too, then usernames, eventually we will all have one unique online identity.”

Yep. Pretty much what is heading round the corner. You know, blogs have to be regulated, right?

By: dearieme

dearieme — Sun, 19 Oct 2008 12:47:00 +0000

The American governing class ignores their Constitution whenever it feels strongly enough about something. The modern US was made by two unconstitutional actions, the Louisiana Purchase and the Civil War. Be careful where you put your faith.