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This Fuel Poverty Thing

August 3rd, 2008 · 9 Comments

The definition is 10% or more of income being used to heat, light, get hot water, cook, etc.

This is the temperature used.

Adequate warmth is generally defined to be 21°C in the main living room and 18°C in other occupied rooms during daytime hours, with lower temperatures at night,

Forgive me, I’ve lived outside the UK for most of the last two decades. Is that a resonable temperature to be using? I’m damned certain that the parentals’ house wasn’t heated to that level when I were a lad (cue sweetpapers in middle of t’t motorway…).

70 oF? Really?

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9 responses so far ↓

  • 1 dearieme // Aug 3, 2008 at 10:36 am

    Almost every house we go into is overheated, often grotesquely so. Every office, every shop … ; nation of bloody cissies we’ve become.

  • 2 JuliaM // Aug 3, 2008 at 11:33 am

    Yup, the Brits seem to like it warm lately. Which makes me wonder if that isn’t the reason why the general public is so apathetic to the screams of the ‘ohmygodtheplanetsgoingtomelt’ crowd…?

  • 3 Philip Thomas // Aug 3, 2008 at 5:20 pm

    That’s the problem I have with the whole fuel poverty definition. I don’t have my rooms that hot, I have the thermostat set way down and use a jumper instead. I only make an exception when my girlfriend is over because she’s Caribbean and so justifiably unaccustomed. I don’t end up fuel impoverished because my approach saves costs but I probably have my house colder than someone that is defined as impoverished. Which of us is the poorer?

  • 4 Anon // Aug 3, 2008 at 6:16 pm

    M-i-L lives with us and, I kid you not, she feels cold below 22, all year round. Then she’s in late ’80s and skin and bone. If she weren’t here, and we didn’t keep her fed as best we can, short of forcing it into her, and heated, she’d be dead.

    Not a sob story, just facts of life

  • 5 Monty // Aug 3, 2008 at 11:10 pm

    Yes, the old folk and babies do need higher air temperatures than the rest of us. It’s no good just wrapping them up in extra cardies, the air they are breathing needs to be warm, and not too dry.

  • 6 Monty // Aug 3, 2008 at 11:20 pm

    In the old days, our rooms were colder but we spent more of our time gathered around the fireside. Modern central heating means we get to make use of the whole house.

    We had a piano in the front room, in which the fire was rarely on. The piano tuner had to come round every 6 months because pianos do not like being kept in a chilly parlour. They go all off-song.

    And we had an outside toilet. In the winter months, a hurricane lamp was kept on day and night, to stop the pipes freezing in there.

    But we did sleep very very soundly in those cold bedrooms. Maybe you just do your finest sleeping when you are a kid.

  • 7 David Gillies // Aug 3, 2008 at 11:58 pm

    21 °C is perfectly acceptable. Ideal air temperature as far as I am concerned is between 24 and 28 °C. 18 °C is a bit parky, about what I’m used to experiencing in the dead of night here.

  • 8 john cramer // Aug 4, 2008 at 2:21 am

    Back in the good old days (1947) we had to break the ice on the wash basin if we were to wash face and hands. It was a helluver winter then.

  • 9 Squander Two // Aug 4, 2008 at 2:28 am

    21’s right, I reckon. It doesn’t feel that warm, but then I have a theory that thermostats are all insane. I mean, turn the damn thing down to 20 and ice starts forming in your hair, or turn it up to 21 and the cat combusts.

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