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	<description>It is all obvious or trivial except...</description>
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		<title>By: Monoi</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14383</link>
		<dc:creator>Monoi</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 16:03:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Isn&#039;t this the clearest admission that the state is failing in its duty to protect its citizens from crime ?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Isn&#8217;t this the clearest admission that the state is failing in its duty to protect its citizens from crime ?</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14359</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 09:45:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;The fact that a 10 year sentence actually often means 2 or less, doesn’t help.&quot;

For &quot;often&quot;, read &quot;never&quot;. 10 years means five with good behaviour (which plenty of people who&#039;re badly behaved enough to get a 10-stretch don&#039;t show). The emergency &quot;oh fuck we&#039;ve got too many prisoners&quot; releases save a few months only - it&#039;s 10 *month* sentences which are turned into next-to-nothing...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;The fact that a 10 year sentence actually often means 2 or less, doesn’t help.&#8221;</p>
<p>For &#8220;often&#8221;, read &#8220;never&#8221;. 10 years means five with good behaviour (which plenty of people who&#8217;re badly behaved enough to get a 10-stretch don&#8217;t show). The emergency &#8220;oh fuck we&#8217;ve got too many prisoners&#8221; releases save a few months only &#8211; it&#8217;s 10 *month* sentences which are turned into next-to-nothing&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Johnathan Pearce</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14348</link>
		<dc:creator>Johnathan Pearce</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 26 Jun 2008 07:44:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I used to work as a courts and crime reporter; in the cases of allegations of rape, incest and so on, reporting of such matters was and is covered by the most severe restrictions. As for witnesses, I have seen a number of trials collapse because a witness, who had been intimidated, has backed down or changed their evidence. Such people can, however, be done for perjury.

With the possible exception of terrorism, where national security issues might arise, the rule should be that whoever gives testimony should give their names, if only to those in court, if they are adults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I used to work as a courts and crime reporter; in the cases of allegations of rape, incest and so on, reporting of such matters was and is covered by the most severe restrictions. As for witnesses, I have seen a number of trials collapse because a witness, who had been intimidated, has backed down or changed their evidence. Such people can, however, be done for perjury.</p>
<p>With the possible exception of terrorism, where national security issues might arise, the rule should be that whoever gives testimony should give their names, if only to those in court, if they are adults.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14332</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 17:45:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had lunch with someone today who happens to be a magistrate, and asked his views on the subject.

He said the problem of people being afraid to testify for fear of reprisals is something they have to deal with all the time, and many criminals get off for exactly that reason. The fact that a 10 year sentence actually often means 2 or less, doesn&#039;t help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had lunch with someone today who happens to be a magistrate, and asked his views on the subject.</p>
<p>He said the problem of people being afraid to testify for fear of reprisals is something they have to deal with all the time, and many criminals get off for exactly that reason. The fact that a 10 year sentence actually often means 2 or less, doesn&#8217;t help.</p>
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		<title>By: Umbongo</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14307</link>
		<dc:creator>Umbongo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 11:23:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In their judgement the law lords mentioned the Kray prosecution.  Apparently once witnesses were satisfied that the Krays were not going to be bailed pre-trial they were prepared (if not happy, I guess) to testify without benefit of anonymity.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In their judgement the law lords mentioned the Kray prosecution.  Apparently once witnesses were satisfied that the Krays were not going to be bailed pre-trial they were prepared (if not happy, I guess) to testify without benefit of anonymity.</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14303</link>
		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:46:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Partly... :)

But it&#039;s true that the problems of witness intimidation aren&#039;t &lt;i&gt;new&lt;/i&gt;. 

It&#039;s just that since (I think...?) the Seventies, with the &#039;supergrass&#039; trials, the police have relied on this tactic more and more, to the point where it&#039;s not really surprising that defence solicitors say &#039;Enough&#039;s enough&#039;. 

With better protection for the witnesses,  and long sentences for the offendors, anonymity wouldn&#039;t need to be such a factor.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Partly&#8230; <img src='http://timworstall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
<p>But it&#8217;s true that the problems of witness intimidation aren&#8217;t <i>new</i>. </p>
<p>It&#8217;s just that since (I think&#8230;?) the Seventies, with the &#8217;supergrass&#8217; trials, the police have relied on this tactic more and more, to the point where it&#8217;s not really surprising that defence solicitors say &#8216;Enough&#8217;s enough&#8217;. </p>
<p>With better protection for the witnesses,  and long sentences for the offendors, anonymity wouldn&#8217;t need to be such a factor.</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14302</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:41:25 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Julia,

I honestly can&#039;t figure out whether you&#039;re being serious.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Julia,</p>
<p>I honestly can&#8217;t figure out whether you&#8217;re being serious.</p>
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		<title>By: The Englishman</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14298</link>
		<dc:creator>The Englishman</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 10:06:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Acts 25:16  (Paul) To whom I answered, It is not the manner of the Romans to deliver any man to die, before that he which is accused have the accusers face to face, and have licence to answer for himself concerning the crime laid against him.

Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides in relevant part: &quot;In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right ... to be confronted with the witnesses against him.&quot; 

But hey, what&#039;s 2000 years of history and the Anglosphere&#039;s common law when Labour want to rush through a law?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Acts 25:16  (Paul) To whom I answered, It is not the manner of the Romans to deliver any man to die, before that he which is accused have the accusers face to face, and have licence to answer for himself concerning the crime laid against him.</p>
<p>Sixth Amendment to the United States Constitution provides in relevant part: &#8220;In all criminal prosecutions, the accused shall enjoy the right &#8230; to be confronted with the witnesses against him.&#8221; </p>
<p>But hey, what&#8217;s 2000 years of history and the Anglosphere&#8217;s common law when Labour want to rush through a law?</p>
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		<title>By: JuliaM</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14297</link>
		<dc:creator>JuliaM</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:58:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&quot;If you still lived in any large-ish town in England, would you be brave enough to stand up in Court and have your name and address read out when giving evidence against the Underclass?&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Surely the problem has been caused by the laxness of the modern day &#039;justice system&#039;? 

I&#039;m sure back in the Sixties, there were no problems finding people to testify against the likes of the Krays, because the penalties were severe and people knew the police would actually &lt;i&gt;act&lt;/i&gt;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&#8220;If you still lived in any large-ish town in England, would you be brave enough to stand up in Court and have your name and address read out when giving evidence against the Underclass?&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Surely the problem has been caused by the laxness of the modern day &#8216;justice system&#8217;? </p>
<p>I&#8217;m sure back in the Sixties, there were no problems finding people to testify against the likes of the Krays, because the penalties were severe and people knew the police would actually <i>act</i>&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14294</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 09:41:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;If you still lived in any large-ish town in England, would you be brave enough to stand up in Court and have your name and address read out when giving evidence against the Underclass?&quot;

If you lived in any large-ish town in England but were unpopular with your Underclass neighbours (persistent photography of buses, perhaps) and a long list of anonymous Underclass people said they saw you stalking children, would you be able to challenge them? How would you prove their mendaciousness if you had no idea who they were?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;If you still lived in any large-ish town in England, would you be brave enough to stand up in Court and have your name and address read out when giving evidence against the Underclass?&#8221;</p>
<p>If you lived in any large-ish town in England but were unpopular with your Underclass neighbours (persistent photography of buses, perhaps) and a long list of anonymous Underclass people said they saw you stalking children, would you be able to challenge them? How would you prove their mendaciousness if you had no idea who they were?</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14289</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:54:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; pending trials, including more than three terrorism cases&lt;/i&gt;

Yet another problem caused by the insistence on treating terrorism as a civilian crime.  Military intelligence is, by its nature, anonymous.  This hasn&#039;t mattered before, because it&#039;s been used to decide military action.  Now the idiots have started using it as evidence in civilian courts.  And now we have their solution to the problem inevitably caused by treating enemy combatants as citizens: change the law so that all citizens are treated as enemy combatants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; pending trials, including more than three terrorism cases</i></p>
<p>Yet another problem caused by the insistence on treating terrorism as a civilian crime.  Military intelligence is, by its nature, anonymous.  This hasn&#8217;t mattered before, because it&#8217;s been used to decide military action.  Now the idiots have started using it as evidence in civilian courts.  And now we have their solution to the problem inevitably caused by treating enemy combatants as citizens: change the law so that all citizens are treated as enemy combatants.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14288</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>If you still lived in any large-ish town in England, would you be brave enough to stand up in Court and have your name and address read out when giving evidence against the Underclass?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>If you still lived in any large-ish town in England, would you be brave enough to stand up in Court and have your name and address read out when giving evidence against the Underclass?</p>
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		<title>By: Bernie Gudgeon</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/06/25/the-way-this-government-works/comment-page-1/#comment-14285</link>
		<dc:creator>Bernie Gudgeon</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 08:11:15 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You and me both.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You and me both.</p>
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