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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12803</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:52:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Sinny cults, john b, sinny cults.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Sinny cults, john b, sinny cults.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12799</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:45:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Scientologists Are A Bunch Of Cults And The City Police Ride Gay Horses&quot;. I like it.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Scientologists Are A Bunch Of Cults And The City Police Ride Gay Horses&#8221;. I like it.</p>
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		<title>By: dearieme</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12790</link>
		<dc:creator>dearieme</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 13:15:41 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>They sound to be the sort of policemen who ride gay horses, wouldn&#039;t you say?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>They sound to be the sort of policemen who ride gay horses, wouldn&#8217;t you say?</p>
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		<title>By: Gallimaufry</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12785</link>
		<dc:creator>Gallimaufry</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 12:50:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This link may help:
http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/CityPolice/About/Who/faqs.htm
Boris is the Mayor of London  not the Lord Mayor of the City of London.</description>
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<a href="http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/CityPolice/About/Who/faqs.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.cityoflondon.police.uk/CityPolice/About/Who/faqs.htm</a><br />
Boris is the Mayor of London  not the Lord Mayor of the City of London.</p>
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		<title>By: Anonymous</title>
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		<dc:creator>Anonymous</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 11:09:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The City of London Police are emerging in a rather negative light here, aren&#039;t they? Time for Boris to show his mettle - tough on corruption, tough on the causes of corruption? He&#039;s already dealt with the biggest one, namely Red Ken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The City of London Police are emerging in a rather negative light here, aren&#8217;t they? Time for Boris to show his mettle &#8211; tough on corruption, tough on the causes of corruption? He&#8217;s already dealt with the biggest one, namely Red Ken.</p>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12771</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 09:37:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>City of London Corporation. 

It would be very good news if the Scientologist ties discredited the City force so much that it was abolished and folded into the Met, as should have happened long ago - not holding my breath, though.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>City of London Corporation. </p>
<p>It would be very good news if the Scientologist ties discredited the City force so much that it was abolished and folded into the Met, as should have happened long ago &#8211; not holding my breath, though.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12768</link>
		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 09:26:30 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Does Boris Johnson oversee this force? I guess the MPA only oversees the Met. Who is in charge and able to root out this corruption?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Does Boris Johnson oversee this force? I guess the MPA only oversees the Met. Who is in charge and able to root out this corruption?</p>
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		<title>By: Surreptitious Evil</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12763</link>
		<dc:creator>Surreptitious Evil</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 09:08:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;blockquote&gt;&gt; “Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.”

Can it not be both?&lt;/blockquote&gt;

In theory, it could.  But it is actually neither.  It is just a con-trick.  A highly successful and deeply unpleasant one.

With some expensive lawyers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<blockquote><p>&gt; “Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.”</p>
<p>Can it not be both?</p></blockquote>
<p>In theory, it could.  But it is actually neither.  It is just a con-trick.  A highly successful and deeply unpleasant one.</p>
<p>With some expensive lawyers.</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12751</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 08:04:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My comment was written before I saw Eva&#039;s which refers to the same thing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My comment was written before I saw Eva&#8217;s which refers to the same thing.</p>
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		<title>By: Squander Two</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12750</link>
		<dc:creator>Squander Two</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 08:04:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&lt;i&gt;&gt; &quot;Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.&quot;&lt;/i&gt;

Can it not be both?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><i>&gt; &#8220;Scientology is not a religion, it is a dangerous cult.&#8221;</i></p>
<p>Can it not be both?</p>
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		<title>By: Ross</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12749</link>
		<dc:creator>Ross</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 08:03:20 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The Telegraph report doesn&#039;t mention the that many City of London Police have received gifts worth thousands of pounds from the Church of Scientology. The police&#039;s behaviour looks utterly corrupt.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The Telegraph report doesn&#8217;t mention the that many City of London Police have received gifts worth thousands of pounds from the Church of Scientology. The police&#8217;s behaviour looks utterly corrupt.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12748</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 07:59:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The link won&#039;t go through for some reason, but this may be relevant - from the Guardian, Wed. Nov 22, 2006:

&quot;It began with tea and biscuits for constables at the police cordon after the July 7 terrorist attacks, progressed to lunches with senior officers and continues with regular invitations to gala nights and jive concerts.
The Church of Scientology appears to be involved in an effort to woo officers from the City of London police - an unlikely partnership perhaps, but one that seems to be blossoming. Details of how more than 20 officers, from constables to chief superintendents, have been invited to a series of engagements by the scientologists over the last 15 months have been revealed by a freedom of information inquiry by the Guardian.

The hospitality included guest invitations in May for two constables and a sergeant to attend the premiere of Mission Impossible 3 in Leicester Square, where they were able to rub shoulders with the best known Scientologist of all and the star of the film, Tom Cruise.

The Guardian requested details of meetings between police and scientologists after a senior officer from the City appeared as a guest speaker at the opening of the £23m Scientology centre near St Paul&#039;s Cathedral last month.

At the lavish ceremony, Chief Superintendent Kevin Hurley, the fourth most senior officer in the force, praised the scientologists for the support they had provided after the July 7 attacks, when followers of L Ron Hubbard&#039;s movement appeared at the police cordons of the Aldgate bomb site offering help to those involved in the emergency operation. The relationship flourished in the following months, according to the City police&#039;s register of hospitality, which all officers are required to fill out.

Since July 7 the Church of Scientology has invited four police constables, an inspector and a chief superintendent to a charity dinner at their British headquarters, Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead, West Sussex, where the officers received a donation of £5,000 for a City of London children&#039;s charity.

The hospitality continued with a member of the Hubbard Foundation buying lunch for about £20 for a chief superintendent at Boisdale restaurant in Bishopsgate, central London, where the £28 set menu currently includes mini-Macsween haggis, fish or meat of the day and raspberry cranachan.

Most of the engagements detailed in the register of hospitality were approved by a senior officer: either Frank Armstrong, the assistant commissioner of City police, Mr Hurley or his colleague Chief Superintendent Ken Stewart.

But the register of hospitality contains gaps on at least two occasions, where it is not known which officer attended an event or who authorised it.

The invitations to the Mission Impossible 3 premiere in May for three officers were followed in August by another event at the East Grinstead centre for an unknown number of officers. In September the register does not specify how many officers attended a concert at Bishopsgate police station by the Jive Aces; a band made up of Scientologists whose advertising states that they play &quot;hot jive&quot; and &quot;big band swing&quot;.

The night before last month&#039;s grand opening of the Church of Scientology&#039;s centre in the City, one of the force&#039;s two chief superintendents joined a detective superintendent, a uniformed constable and a detective constable at a star-studded charity dinner at Saint Hill Manor, where prizes are awarded to followers who donate the biggest sums to the movement.

The dinner was attended by Cruise, who sat at a special table nearest the past year&#039;s biggest donors.

The next day, Sunday October 22, a sergeant recorded being offered refreshments worth between £3 and £5 by scientologists as he was policing the opening of the London centre. Another officer, a constable, was a guest at a charity gala in East Grinstead the following night, where he recorded receiving £50 worth of hospitality. Most recently, on October 24, two sergeants and two constables attended a Jive Aces concert at Saint Hill.

The relationship between the police and the scientologists comes despite controversy that the tactics adopted by the church are akin to that of a cult and the Charity Commission&#039;s refusal to recognise it as a religion in the UK.

The scientologists have also been criticised in the US over their role in counselling firefighters and police officers after the September 11 attacks when they set up a a medical clinic two blocks from Ground Zero in New York for professionals involved in the emergency operation.

Inside the centre some firefighters abandoned the medical care and emotional counselling provided to them by the fire department&#039;s doctors, and instead took up a treatment devised by Hubbard. This included saunas, physical workouts and taking pills; a treatment which constitutes the scientologists controversial detoxification programme.

Mark Salter, a London-based psychiatrist said the scientologists were trying to replicate their ideology by disseminating it as widely as possible.

&quot;You may well find that one or two police officers become followers. Look at the masons, I am sure they are well represented inside the police force,&quot; he said.

&quot;They are a cult who are trying to maximise their influence by putting feelers out and using spin to make contacts and network in quite dangerous ways.&quot;

Janet Kenyon-Laveau, spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology in the UK, said the relationship between the police and followers was mutually beneficial, with followers engaged in clean-up campaigns in drug ridden inner city areas, which were praised by the police.

The City of London police declined to comment.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The link won&#8217;t go through for some reason, but this may be relevant &#8211; from the Guardian, Wed. Nov 22, 2006:</p>
<p>&#8220;It began with tea and biscuits for constables at the police cordon after the July 7 terrorist attacks, progressed to lunches with senior officers and continues with regular invitations to gala nights and jive concerts.<br />
The Church of Scientology appears to be involved in an effort to woo officers from the City of London police &#8211; an unlikely partnership perhaps, but one that seems to be blossoming. Details of how more than 20 officers, from constables to chief superintendents, have been invited to a series of engagements by the scientologists over the last 15 months have been revealed by a freedom of information inquiry by the Guardian.</p>
<p>The hospitality included guest invitations in May for two constables and a sergeant to attend the premiere of Mission Impossible 3 in Leicester Square, where they were able to rub shoulders with the best known Scientologist of all and the star of the film, Tom Cruise.</p>
<p>The Guardian requested details of meetings between police and scientologists after a senior officer from the City appeared as a guest speaker at the opening of the £23m Scientology centre near St Paul&#8217;s Cathedral last month.</p>
<p>At the lavish ceremony, Chief Superintendent Kevin Hurley, the fourth most senior officer in the force, praised the scientologists for the support they had provided after the July 7 attacks, when followers of L Ron Hubbard&#8217;s movement appeared at the police cordons of the Aldgate bomb site offering help to those involved in the emergency operation. The relationship flourished in the following months, according to the City police&#8217;s register of hospitality, which all officers are required to fill out.</p>
<p>Since July 7 the Church of Scientology has invited four police constables, an inspector and a chief superintendent to a charity dinner at their British headquarters, Saint Hill Manor in East Grinstead, West Sussex, where the officers received a donation of £5,000 for a City of London children&#8217;s charity.</p>
<p>The hospitality continued with a member of the Hubbard Foundation buying lunch for about £20 for a chief superintendent at Boisdale restaurant in Bishopsgate, central London, where the £28 set menu currently includes mini-Macsween haggis, fish or meat of the day and raspberry cranachan.</p>
<p>Most of the engagements detailed in the register of hospitality were approved by a senior officer: either Frank Armstrong, the assistant commissioner of City police, Mr Hurley or his colleague Chief Superintendent Ken Stewart.</p>
<p>But the register of hospitality contains gaps on at least two occasions, where it is not known which officer attended an event or who authorised it.</p>
<p>The invitations to the Mission Impossible 3 premiere in May for three officers were followed in August by another event at the East Grinstead centre for an unknown number of officers. In September the register does not specify how many officers attended a concert at Bishopsgate police station by the Jive Aces; a band made up of Scientologists whose advertising states that they play &#8220;hot jive&#8221; and &#8220;big band swing&#8221;.</p>
<p>The night before last month&#8217;s grand opening of the Church of Scientology&#8217;s centre in the City, one of the force&#8217;s two chief superintendents joined a detective superintendent, a uniformed constable and a detective constable at a star-studded charity dinner at Saint Hill Manor, where prizes are awarded to followers who donate the biggest sums to the movement.</p>
<p>The dinner was attended by Cruise, who sat at a special table nearest the past year&#8217;s biggest donors.</p>
<p>The next day, Sunday October 22, a sergeant recorded being offered refreshments worth between £3 and £5 by scientologists as he was policing the opening of the London centre. Another officer, a constable, was a guest at a charity gala in East Grinstead the following night, where he recorded receiving £50 worth of hospitality. Most recently, on October 24, two sergeants and two constables attended a Jive Aces concert at Saint Hill.</p>
<p>The relationship between the police and the scientologists comes despite controversy that the tactics adopted by the church are akin to that of a cult and the Charity Commission&#8217;s refusal to recognise it as a religion in the UK.</p>
<p>The scientologists have also been criticised in the US over their role in counselling firefighters and police officers after the September 11 attacks when they set up a a medical clinic two blocks from Ground Zero in New York for professionals involved in the emergency operation.</p>
<p>Inside the centre some firefighters abandoned the medical care and emotional counselling provided to them by the fire department&#8217;s doctors, and instead took up a treatment devised by Hubbard. This included saunas, physical workouts and taking pills; a treatment which constitutes the scientologists controversial detoxification programme.</p>
<p>Mark Salter, a London-based psychiatrist said the scientologists were trying to replicate their ideology by disseminating it as widely as possible.</p>
<p>&#8220;You may well find that one or two police officers become followers. Look at the masons, I am sure they are well represented inside the police force,&#8221; he said.</p>
<p>&#8220;They are a cult who are trying to maximise their influence by putting feelers out and using spin to make contacts and network in quite dangerous ways.&#8221;</p>
<p>Janet Kenyon-Laveau, spokeswoman for the Church of Scientology in the UK, said the relationship between the police and followers was mutually beneficial, with followers engaged in clean-up campaigns in drug ridden inner city areas, which were praised by the police.</p>
<p>The City of London police declined to comment.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
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		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 07:54:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/22/freedomofinformation.religion

This may be why.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/22/freedomofinformation.religion" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/22/freedomofinformation.religion</a></p>
<p>This may be why.</p>
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		<title>By: Eva</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/05/21/but-it-is-a-cult/comment-page-1/#comment-12744</link>
		<dc:creator>Eva</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 May 2008 07:49:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/22/freedomofinformation.religion

This may be the reason.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p><a href="http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/22/freedomofinformation.religion" rel="nofollow">http://www.guardian.co.uk/uk/2006/nov/22/freedomofinformation.religion</a></p>
<p>This may be the reason.</p>
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