Tim Worstall

It is all obvious or trivial except…

 

 

I’ve Asked This Before

April 24th, 2008 · 9 Comments

But any of you readers know how I could go about purchasing a put option on the price of crude oil?

1) Needs to be an option, not a future. Hey, I’m a private investor.

2) Reasonably long term: 12 months or more if possible.

3) Well out of the money….like $70 a barrel stuff.

OK, so I’m pretty certain that the financial markets are sophisticated enough to be able to deal with all of the above. However, I have a feeling that they might only be for "professional" investors, ie, dealing in sums far larger than the £1k-£1,500 I might be willing to lay out on such a bet.

So, anyone actually know?

Tags: Finance

9 responses so far ↓

  • 1 Kay Tie // Apr 24, 2008 at 9:30 am

    Spread betting? Mind you, the forward bets on IG Index only go to July 08.

    Alternatively, you could short an ETF (e.g. OILW).

  • 2 Mark Wadsworth // Apr 24, 2008 at 10:15 am

    Ask Lind Waldock, if they’re still around. Pretty decent bunch (or at least they were ten years ago when I was with them).

  • 3 Pogo // Apr 24, 2008 at 10:52 am

    Have a look at SG’s “covered warrants” - I think they’ve expanded into commodities etc.

  • 4 Matthew // Apr 24, 2008 at 11:40 am

    I’d second Kay Tie’s advice, except to add that (and I think this is really the best thing you could do, even though its probably not as leveraged as a proper future) is to buy this

    http://www.etfsecurities.com/csl/short/etfs_crude_oil_sh.asp

    This is a ’short crude oil etf’. For every 1% it falls in price, you gain 1%. And vice-versa. You can buy it with a normal share account.

  • 5 Matthew // Apr 24, 2008 at 11:41 am

    For some reason I missed your bit about options not futures. But I’d still look into that.

    Tim adds: I was just about to add that to the last comment, having looked at it. Want a fire and forget, not one that leaves me open to margin calls.

  • 6 Matthew // Apr 24, 2008 at 12:15 pm

    I’d look at the short ETF. There aren’t margin calls - you’ll just find one day that you have no investment.

  • 7 Dave // Apr 24, 2008 at 4:04 pm

    You could try Spreadfair or even Betfair - either of them should be able to supply *someone* to act as counterparty

  • 8 Tim Newman // Apr 25, 2008 at 3:26 am

    I can get you an actual barrel if you like. You’ve gotta pick up the delivery tab though.

  • 9 Dave Tufte // May 1, 2008 at 4:56 pm

    Hillary Clinton would know: she learned all about how to do this from reading the WSJ.

    Call her … I hear she’s sweet and approachable.

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