There are many web sources documenting the Moon landings were a fake and the Jews did 9-11. Doesn’t make them true. Nor do your claims which are frankly absurd. They are the left wing equivalent of the John Birch society’s allegations that Eisenhower was a Communist.

Bob B – “Thyssen only became a refugee from the Nazis in 1938, five years after Hitler was installed as Reich Chancellor because Thyssen evidently had second thoughts. ”

Your point is? You have no idea what Thyssen did or did not think. Indeed he made it clear what he thought – the Nazis turned out to be otherwise than he thought. As this became apparent, he fled.

Bob B – “Friedrich Flick, a partner of Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that created the Nazi war machine, was sentenced to seven years at the Nuremberg Trials.”

Flick, of course, did not flee Germany as a refugee. He did not have a problem with Hitler. Thyssen did. Was Prescott Bush Flick’s personal banker? I think not.

Bob B – “Every time I think back to those times of being bombed in London during WW2, I shall now recall that those bombers were up there because American corporations ensured the Luftwaffe had ample supplies of Tetra-ethyl Lead.”

By all means, think what you like. That American and British companies did business with German companies is irrelevant. It is not, by the way, as if the Germans could not have got by without the relatively small amount of T-e L they bought from Standard Oil. Doesn’t mean that American companies were all secretly Nazi.

Bob B – “The fact is that support for the Nazis in America was widespread before WW2.”

Among small sections of the German community perhaps. But not widely.

Bob B quoting someone else- ““My own impression in Washington at that moment was that it might be difficult for President Roosevelt to get Congress to declare war on Germany.”

Isolationism – and a desire to fight the people who actually attacked America – is not a sign of being pro-German much less a Nazi.

Bob B – “Germany and Italy declared war on America on 11 December 1941. Britain had been at war since 3 September 1939.”

Which is all very interesting but still does not prove that Prescott Bush was a Nazi – much less that Alan Foster Dulles was.

Rubbish – face the facts, there are many web sources documenting US Senator Prescott Bush’s connections with fund raising for the Nazis, including evidence collected by John Loftus, a former prosecutor in the Justice Department’s Nazi War Crimes Unit.

A timeline:
http://www.country-liberal-party.com/pages/Bush-Nazi-links.htm

“Again the source you cite simply proves that PB worked for Thyssen – a refugee from the Nazis.”

Thyssen only became a refugee from the Nazis in 1938, five years after Hitler was installed as Reich Chancellor because Thyssen evidently had second thoughts.

Friedrich Flick, a partner of Thyssen in the German Steel Trust that created the Nazi war machine, was sentenced to seven years at the Nuremberg Trials.

Every time I think back to those times of being bombed in London during WW2, I shall now recall that those bombers were up there because American corporations ensured the Luftwaffe had ample supplies of Tetra-ethyl Lead.

The fact is that support for the Nazis in America was widespread before WW2. Recall that speech by that American hero Charles Linbergh at Des Moines, Iowa on 11 September 1941:

“The three most important groups who have been pressing this country [America] toward war [WW2] are the British, the Jewish and the Roosevelt administration.”
http://www.charleslindbergh.com/americanfirst/speech.asp

The is how the American historian William Shirer, author of: The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich, reported in chp. 25 the situation in the US Congress after Pearl Harbor on 7 December 1941:

“My own impression in Washington at that moment was that it might be difficult for President Roosevelt to get Congress to declare war on Germany. There seemed to be a strong feeling in both Houses as well as in the Army and Navy that the country ought to concentrate its efforts on defeating Japan and not take on the additional burden of fighting Germany at the same time.”

Germany and Italy declared war on America on 11 December 1941. Britain had been at war since 3 September 1939.

No you can’t. You can simply find a source that repeats the original smear. Because Prescott Bush had no ties to Nazi Fund raising. Again the source you cite simply proves that PB worked for Thyssen – a refugee from the Nazis. It is absurd to assume that all Germans were Nazis – and that is especially stupid when the German is an ideological opponent of the Nazis who was forced into exile for his political views. PB did not raise funds for the Nazis. He helped a refugee protect his assets from Nazi seizure.

This is an entirely moral undertaking.

http://www.geocities.com/bushfamilynazis/

I can easily cite American sources about US Senator Prescott Bush’s connections with Nazi fund raising.

Again, I refer to American sources:

“After the Rockefellers, the next largest stockholder in Standard Oil was I.G. Farben, the giant German chemical company. . .

“I.G. Farben eventually built its own concentration camp, known as Monowitz, which was closer to the site of the complex than Auschwitz was, in order to eliminate the need to march prisoners several miles to and from the plant every day.

“This was the company enthusiastically embraced by Standard Oil as well as other major American corporations like Du Pont and General Motors. I do not, however, state that Standard Oil collaborated with the Nazis simply because I.G. Farben was its second largest shareholder. In fact, without the explicit help of Standard Oil, the Nazi air force would never have gotten off the ground in the first place. The planes that made up the Luftwaffe needed tetraethyl lead gasoline in order to fly. At the time, only Standard Oil, Du Pont, and General Motors had the ability to produce this vital substance. In 1938, Walter C. Teagle, then president of Standard Oil, helped Hermann Schmitz of I.G. Farben to acquire 500 tons of tetraethyl lead from Ethyl, a British Standard subsidiary. A year later, Schmitz returned to London and obtained an additional 15 million dollars worth of tetraethyl lead which was to be turned into aviation gasoline back in Germany.

“After the war began in Europe, the English became angry about U.S. shipments of strategic materials to Nazi Germany. Standard Oil immediately changed the registration of their entire fleet to Panamanian to avoid British search or seizure. These ships continued to carry oil to Tenerife in the Canary Islands, where they refueled and siphoned oil to German tankers for shipment to Hamburg.”
http://web.mit.edu/thistle/www/v13/3/oil.html

I wouldn’t miss Eric Hobsbawm.

Give ‘em time. I’m supremely confident they can go lower…

Please do not compound the Guardian’s vicious and untrue smears with vicious and untrue smears of your own. Prescott Bush worked for an American company that represented Fritz Thyssen. Back in the early 1930s Thyssen, worried about Communism, funded a large number of non-Leftist parties, one of which was the Nazi Party which got some small donations. By 1939 Thyssen had been forced into exile for his opposition to the Nazis. Before he did that, he moved many of his assets into a Dutch holding company to protect them from the Nazis. Prescott Bush worked for an American company that held shares in this Dutch company. So far from working to make the Nazis rich, he was in fact working for a political refugee from the Nazis and trying to keep his assets out of their hands.

Frankly I find this an entirely worthy and moral activity. It is true that Thyssen got caught up in the purge of “Enemy property” as he was still German. But then a lot of Jewish refugees were also interned for being German. Doesn’t mean they weren’t refugees. Or make them Nazis.

That article was one of the lowest points the Guardian has ever hit if you ask me. I fail to see what Bush did that was wrong. I’d be proud to do the same.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/search/display.var.540073.0.harry_cohens_expenses_tip_the_scales.php

housing allowance on a second place in Colchester (not in his constituency) even though he really lives for 90%of his time in London in a house he owns in his constituency, only 6 miles from Westminster.

http://www.guardian-series.co.uk/search/display.var.2062669.0.leytonwanstead_mp_defends_right_to_claim_home_allowance.php

Indeed.

Why weren’t all the appeasers and peace at any price people tried and executed too. George Lansbury was gone but they could have dug up the corpse a la Cromwell.

And then we could try and execute all those people who cheered the Soviet Nazi Pact and tried to sabotage the war effort because it was Capitalist’s War.

Joyce didn’t have secrets to pass on and, if anything, he was good for morale in war-time Britain.

But more to the point, what of all those who promoted the cause of fascism and flag-waved for the Nazis before the war started? What of them? Why weren’t they tried and executed?

As for the American corporations who ensured that the Luftwaffe had ample supplies of Tetra-ethyl Lead . . .

“It seems to have been taken over by Bible-bashers.”

I have some beliefs I don’t air as often as I should.

Difficult to prove a negative in the time available to me, but I am pretty sure no one was executed simply for being a sympathiser. Joyce (the most doubtful case) broadcast for the Nazis. John Amery recruited British prisoners of war to serve in the German army – he was executed but the few soldiers who joined the British Free Corps were not. If serving soldiers weren’t executed for actually fighting for the Wermacht I find it hard to believe that others were executed merely for sympathising.

Three British subjects, George Armstrong, Duncan Scott-Ford and Theodore Schurch were executed for spying for Germany.

This website has more, though I haven’t read all of it.

Several thousand people were interned under Defence regulation 18B. Nearly all of them were let out in 1944.

As for Cuba – when the files have been opened on every other communist dictatorship the mass executions have been revealed. What makes Cuba different, the sunshine?

I looked back there–expecting to see Barbara Suckett. Or Wally Benzover.

What a shower of fucking prick fucks.

As said above, I certainly don’t believe it was proper to hang William Joyce just for broadcasting Nazi propaganda from Germany during WW2, especially when his citzenship was controversial and most Brits during the war regarded the broadcasts as just a bad joke. It all looked so highly arbitrary when others, on both sides of the Atlantic, were far more culpable, notably in events that led up to the war.

That interview with Professor Anthony Sutton gave me a really warm glow inside as a resident of inner-London through WW2 when I recall those bombers flying overhead and dropping bombs were powered by fuel with Tetra-ethyl Lead supplied courtesy of American corporations. The predictions of US Ambassador Joseph Kennedy in 1940 that we were doomed in Britain took on a new significance – thank heavens for the likes of Ed Murrow and the American fighter pilots who came to fight for us in the decisive Battle of Britain in the summer of 1940:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edward_R._Murrow

And Sutton’s revelations about those curious exemptions from US strategic bombing targets during WW2 were absolutely amazing.

And then I remembered all that hard work Senator Prescott Bush put into fund raising for the Nazis:
http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2004/sep/25/usa.secondworldwar

Of course, there are those who still puzzle about how Tony Blair got us entangled in President Bush’s foreign policy, which even most Americans don’t support according to the latest polls. Alas, there is a straight forward answer.

Remember the Third Way? When Blair first made that speech back in 1998, someone online posted up that the Third Way had a documented fascist provenance. Surely that cannot be, I thought. Blair’s academic advisers and Alastair Campbell would have checked even if he didn’t have the time with all the pressures of being a New Labour prime minister. They would, wouldn’t they? But I thought it best to check, just in case.

The second book I picked up was by Martin Clark, an academic historian at Edinburgh University, on: Modern Italy 1871-1995 (Longman 2nd ed. (1996)). On p.250, where the author writes about the policies of Mussolini’s fascist government, I came across this revealing sentence: “They seemed to offer ‘a third way’, between capitalism and Bolshevism, which looked attractive in the Depression. …”

Now we know. Extraordinary, especially as the second edition of Martin Clark’s book was published before the 1997 election.