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	<description>It is all obvious or trivial except...</description>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6464</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 23:31:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps we could compare how the US Congress manages these things. If MPs choose to employ researchers who aren&#039;t up to that job then they have to accept the consequences.

For all the research now available in the public domain, we might recognise that much isn&#039;t - many academic papers are only accessible by subscribers or current members of academic institutions.

Subject to debate, I also have serious doubts as to whether individual MPs, however good their personal back offices, are up to the challenge of making significant new policy proposals against the weight of information and human resources available to the government in power.

Even parties in opposition are stretched to do that. For comparison, look at the scale of resources which the Institute of Fiscal Studies brings together for its Green (meaning, consultative, not environmentalist) Budgets:
http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2008/index.php</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps we could compare how the US Congress manages these things. If MPs choose to employ researchers who aren&#8217;t up to that job then they have to accept the consequences.</p>
<p>For all the research now available in the public domain, we might recognise that much isn&#8217;t &#8211; many academic papers are only accessible by subscribers or current members of academic institutions.</p>
<p>Subject to debate, I also have serious doubts as to whether individual MPs, however good their personal back offices, are up to the challenge of making significant new policy proposals against the weight of information and human resources available to the government in power.</p>
<p>Even parties in opposition are stretched to do that. For comparison, look at the scale of resources which the Institute of Fiscal Studies brings together for its Green (meaning, consultative, not environmentalist) Budgets:<br />
<a href="http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2008/index.php" rel="nofollow">http://www.ifs.org.uk/budgets/gb2008/index.php</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thomas</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6452</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 20:11:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Agreed, but this highlights how formal assessment of candidates for researchers is necessary.  Most organisations have very strict procedures on how positions are awarded, some of them imposed by law, and I find it startling that the very members that compose the body that creates those laws can be so casual in their own employment processes.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed, but this highlights how formal assessment of candidates for researchers is necessary.  Most organisations have very strict procedures on how positions are awarded, some of them imposed by law, and I find it startling that the very members that compose the body that creates those laws can be so casual in their own employment processes.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard North</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6442</link>
		<dc:creator>Richard North</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 15:45:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Bob B has it partially right - much of the work is sifting through a great deal of existing research work - much of it conflicting - to distil the issues of relevance to the specific MP.

There is, however, a great deal more to it than that.  Original research work is done, draft policies are formulated, internal &quot;position papers&quot; are prepared, and there is a great deal of analysis.

Of course, if there was less government, there would be less need for research but, as long as we have big government, there is a cost in trying to keep a tab on what it is doing.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Bob B has it partially right &#8211; much of the work is sifting through a great deal of existing research work &#8211; much of it conflicting &#8211; to distil the issues of relevance to the specific MP.</p>
<p>There is, however, a great deal more to it than that.  Original research work is done, draft policies are formulated, internal &#8220;position papers&#8221; are prepared, and there is a great deal of analysis.</p>
<p>Of course, if there was less government, there would be less need for research but, as long as we have big government, there is a cost in trying to keep a tab on what it is doing.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6438</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 14:06:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Philip, from experience of contributing my few pennies&#039; worth online since December 1995, the fact is that there are many folks around who all too evidenly aren&#039;t aware of much (highly reputable, if sometimes controversial) research - and information - there is in the public domain or they wouldn&#039;t post the claims and comments that they do.

The case for MPs having regular research assistant is to sift through the huge volumes of research that surfaces weekly to assess its relevance, if any, to their employers&#039; concerns. Some among the thousands of bloggers provide a similar function for surfers and the conspicuous success of the blogsphere is a testimony to a wider appreciation of their endeavours.

The issue about Mr Conway&#039;s paid family researchers is not so much whether there was a need for them - or a general need for MPs to have researchers - but rather whether Mr Conway&#039;s researchers were up to the job. 

Candidly, I have my doubts about whether many undergrad students are capable of doing what is required - especially when I read of the extent to which undergrads nowadays uncritically plagiarise written work for essays and projects. And judging by this, the Downing Street press office under Alastair Campbell&#039;s direction seems to have suffered a similar affliction:

- Reporting of the September [2002] dossier has to be seen in the context of the February 2003 dossier, which even the foreign secretary has described as a &quot;complete Horlicks&quot;. 

- The way the February dossier, which included material plagiarised from an academic thesis, was discredited meant any decent journalist would inevitably question whether similar tactics had been used in September too.

- &quot;We thus made a judgement that the information fitted into a pattern of concerns - and that it was perfectly proper to report the allegations made by Andrew Gilligan&#039;s source.&quot;
http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3027192.stm</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Philip, from experience of contributing my few pennies&#8217; worth online since December 1995, the fact is that there are many folks around who all too evidenly aren&#8217;t aware of much (highly reputable, if sometimes controversial) research &#8211; and information &#8211; there is in the public domain or they wouldn&#8217;t post the claims and comments that they do.</p>
<p>The case for MPs having regular research assistant is to sift through the huge volumes of research that surfaces weekly to assess its relevance, if any, to their employers&#8217; concerns. Some among the thousands of bloggers provide a similar function for surfers and the conspicuous success of the blogsphere is a testimony to a wider appreciation of their endeavours.</p>
<p>The issue about Mr Conway&#8217;s paid family researchers is not so much whether there was a need for them &#8211; or a general need for MPs to have researchers &#8211; but rather whether Mr Conway&#8217;s researchers were up to the job. </p>
<p>Candidly, I have my doubts about whether many undergrad students are capable of doing what is required &#8211; especially when I read of the extent to which undergrads nowadays uncritically plagiarise written work for essays and projects. And judging by this, the Downing Street press office under Alastair Campbell&#8217;s direction seems to have suffered a similar affliction:</p>
<p>- Reporting of the September [2002] dossier has to be seen in the context of the February 2003 dossier, which even the foreign secretary has described as a &#8220;complete Horlicks&#8221;. </p>
<p>- The way the February dossier, which included material plagiarised from an academic thesis, was discredited meant any decent journalist would inevitably question whether similar tactics had been used in September too.</p>
<p>- &#8220;We thus made a judgement that the information fitted into a pattern of concerns &#8211; and that it was perfectly proper to report the allegations made by Andrew Gilligan&#8217;s source.&#8221;<br />
<a href="http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3027192.stm" rel="nofollow">http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/3027192.stm</a></p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thomas</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6433</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 12:31:10 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s not that I&#039;m averse to the use of research assistants.  Indeed, I myself have just spent four years engaged in academic research.  The issue is that I had to initially show I was capable and qualified to do that, was assessed on my ability during that period and was expected to produce work that would withstand peer review and so be published.  There is nothing inherently wrong with paid researchers, of which I have counted myself among, the issue is that whether that&#039;s what we are getting.  Seeing as without the use of MPs&#039; allowances, think tanks are producing said research, but with MPs&#039; allowances, some researchers are not, we must call into question the system as it is run and in particular the way it is funded.  

It seems that at present it runs the risk of either MPs turning off their own critical faculties (presuming their initial presence) or just funnelling funds to their outlandish sprogs.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s not that I&#8217;m averse to the use of research assistants.  Indeed, I myself have just spent four years engaged in academic research.  The issue is that I had to initially show I was capable and qualified to do that, was assessed on my ability during that period and was expected to produce work that would withstand peer review and so be published.  There is nothing inherently wrong with paid researchers, of which I have counted myself among, the issue is that whether that&#8217;s what we are getting.  Seeing as without the use of MPs&#8217; allowances, think tanks are producing said research, but with MPs&#8217; allowances, some researchers are not, we must call into question the system as it is run and in particular the way it is funded.  </p>
<p>It seems that at present it runs the risk of either MPs turning off their own critical faculties (presuming their initial presence) or just funnelling funds to their outlandish sprogs.</p>
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		<title>By: Bob B</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6431</link>
		<dc:creator>Bob B</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 11:37:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For access to the excellent series of research papers published by the HoC Library, try this:
http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/research_papers.cfm

The fact that the public at large has access to these papers because of the WWW, has perhaps diminished their significance in the estimation of our MPs. After all, if their constituents and the media at large also now have ready access to this same source of research, it is less feasible to appear to be unusually well informed about whatever issues are presently leading in current affairs.

Another, hugely valuable source of research available to MPs at large and the public, is the reports of the various HoC Select Committees. For a sampler, see the reports produced by the Treasury Select Committee at here:
http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtreasy.htm

Arguably, so much of the continuing flow of research and analysis is available because of the WWW that MPs desperately need research assistants to sift out and digest those bits of special interest to their political masters and employers. Compare what happens in the US Congress.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For access to the excellent series of research papers published by the HoC Library, try this:<br />
<a href="http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/research_papers.cfm" rel="nofollow">http://www.parliament.uk/parliamentary_publications_and_archives/research_papers.cfm</a></p>
<p>The fact that the public at large has access to these papers because of the WWW, has perhaps diminished their significance in the estimation of our MPs. After all, if their constituents and the media at large also now have ready access to this same source of research, it is less feasible to appear to be unusually well informed about whatever issues are presently leading in current affairs.</p>
<p>Another, hugely valuable source of research available to MPs at large and the public, is the reports of the various HoC Select Committees. For a sampler, see the reports produced by the Treasury Select Committee at here:<br />
<a href="http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtreasy.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.publications.parliament.uk/pa/cm/cmtreasy.htm</a></p>
<p>Arguably, so much of the continuing flow of research and analysis is available because of the WWW that MPs desperately need research assistants to sift out and digest those bits of special interest to their political masters and employers. Compare what happens in the US Congress.</p>
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		<title>By: Philip Thomas</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/02/02/ooooh/comment-page-1/#comment-6423</link>
		<dc:creator>Philip Thomas</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 02 Feb 2008 10:27:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So we have to pay people to come up with good ideas as regards to solving problems.  Seems to me that many think tanks offer detailed policy proposals without having to seek fractions of an MP&#039;s allowance.  

That some researchers have good ideas or do good works is in itself not a justification for the policy of paid researchers.  It justifies those researchers alone.  

The fact is that MPs are employing are employing people for a role they can get away with being grossly underqualified for because they aren&#039;t needed to actually fulfil it.  This is an absurdity and if cutting allowances is the way to stop it then I&#039;m all for it.  MPs seem to either pocket the money or piss it away so we shouldn&#039;t give them it in the first place.

Tim adds: &quot;Seems to me that many think tanks offer detailed policy proposals without having to seek fractions of an MP&#039;s allowance.&quot;

Well, yes, but as one who is in fact a Fellow of such a think tank something further you might want to think about. We&#039;re all pushing our own agendas and the MPs are there to moderate between those special interest groups. Clearly and obviously the ASI is of shining white purity in this regard, we&#039;re only interested in the greater good. But then, by their lights, so are Demos, Compass and the new economics foundation. And they&#039;re dingbats. I would much rather whatever ideas or plans the ASI has be subjected to independent critical scrutiny than that those others should get a pass as to the value of their plans.

After all, we really are only interested in the common weal, so we&#039;ll pass such scrutiny with ease, while they won&#039;t.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So we have to pay people to come up with good ideas as regards to solving problems.  Seems to me that many think tanks offer detailed policy proposals without having to seek fractions of an MP&#8217;s allowance.  </p>
<p>That some researchers have good ideas or do good works is in itself not a justification for the policy of paid researchers.  It justifies those researchers alone.  </p>
<p>The fact is that MPs are employing are employing people for a role they can get away with being grossly underqualified for because they aren&#8217;t needed to actually fulfil it.  This is an absurdity and if cutting allowances is the way to stop it then I&#8217;m all for it.  MPs seem to either pocket the money or piss it away so we shouldn&#8217;t give them it in the first place.</p>
<p>Tim adds: &#8220;Seems to me that many think tanks offer detailed policy proposals without having to seek fractions of an MP&#8217;s allowance.&#8221;</p>
<p>Well, yes, but as one who is in fact a Fellow of such a think tank something further you might want to think about. We&#8217;re all pushing our own agendas and the MPs are there to moderate between those special interest groups. Clearly and obviously the ASI is of shining white purity in this regard, we&#8217;re only interested in the greater good. But then, by their lights, so are Demos, Compass and the new economics foundation. And they&#8217;re dingbats. I would much rather whatever ideas or plans the ASI has be subjected to independent critical scrutiny than that those others should get a pass as to the value of their plans.</p>
<p>After all, we really are only interested in the common weal, so we&#8217;ll pass such scrutiny with ease, while they won&#8217;t.</p>
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