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	<description>It is all obvious or trivial except...</description>
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		<title>By: The Great Simpleton</title>
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		<dc:creator>The Great Simpleton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 15:39:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I never used it but I&#039;m sure we used to have a system whereby you got out proportional to what you put in when you became unemployed. I vaguely remember that for the first 12 months you got something like 66% of salary and then this tapered to whatever the unemployment benefit was after 12 months.

I think it was scrtapped in the mid to late 70&#039;s</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I never used it but I&#8217;m sure we used to have a system whereby you got out proportional to what you put in when you became unemployed. I vaguely remember that for the first 12 months you got something like 66% of salary and then this tapered to whatever the unemployment benefit was after 12 months.</p>
<p>I think it was scrtapped in the mid to late 70&#8242;s</p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:26:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Yes, of course NI is a tax. But Richard still misses point.

Effective rate on employees (incl. income tax, and employee&#039;s and employer&#039;s NI) is 40.6% up to £40,000 (or whatever the limit is) and 47.7% on incomes above that, so pretty flat but far from regressive.

Effective rate on dividend income is 30% for basic rate taxpayers (i.e. the corporation tax paid - no further income tax) and 47.5% for higher rate taxpayers (£100 profits of company less £30 corp tax = dividend £70 less higher rate tax of 25% on the cash dividend).

There are a myriad of regressive tax breaks that Richard could have pilloried (PEPs, ISAs, tax relief for pension contributions, agricultural subsidies etc), but he invented two that simply don&#039;t exist. He could have railed against VAT, the worst tax of all and mildly regressive, by all accounts. But no, he&#039;s tilting at non-existent windmills.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, of course NI is a tax. But Richard still misses point.</p>
<p>Effective rate on employees (incl. income tax, and employee&#8217;s and employer&#8217;s NI) is 40.6% up to £40,000 (or whatever the limit is) and 47.7% on incomes above that, so pretty flat but far from regressive.</p>
<p>Effective rate on dividend income is 30% for basic rate taxpayers (i.e. the corporation tax paid &#8211; no further income tax) and 47.5% for higher rate taxpayers (£100 profits of company less £30 corp tax = dividend £70 less higher rate tax of 25% on the cash dividend).</p>
<p>There are a myriad of regressive tax breaks that Richard could have pilloried (PEPs, ISAs, tax relief for pension contributions, agricultural subsidies etc), but he invented two that simply don&#8217;t exist. He could have railed against VAT, the worst tax of all and mildly regressive, by all accounts. But no, he&#8217;s tilting at non-existent windmills.</p>
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		<title>By: Kay Tie</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kay Tie</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 13:02:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;It’s payment into a social insurance policy.&quot;

It&#039;s a INVOLUNTARY payment into a social insurance policy where the coverage and eligibility is not guaranteed and unrelated to the amount paid in. Smells like a tax, quacks like a tax.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;It’s payment into a social insurance policy.&#8221;</p>
<p>It&#8217;s a INVOLUNTARY payment into a social insurance policy where the coverage and eligibility is not guaranteed and unrelated to the amount paid in. Smells like a tax, quacks like a tax.</p>
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		<title>By: Richard Murphy</title>
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		<dc:creator>Richard Murphy</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 18 Jan 2008 12:32:07 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Tim

You&#039;re wrong as ever

The contribution to the NI fund can be without limit - as the 1% rate proves.

And the 10% tax on investment income I propose  is a tax - not NIC, but designed to both prevent abuse and maybe cut the basic rate of income tax using the funds realised

Being narrow minded does not help strategic thinking Tim

Richard</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim</p>
<p>You&#8217;re wrong as ever</p>
<p>The contribution to the NI fund can be without limit &#8211; as the 1% rate proves.</p>
<p>And the 10% tax on investment income I propose  is a tax &#8211; not NIC, but designed to both prevent abuse and maybe cut the basic rate of income tax using the funds realised</p>
<p>Being narrow minded does not help strategic thinking Tim</p>
<p>Richard</p>
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