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	<title>Comments on: Raising MP&#8217;s Pay?</title>
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	<description>It is all obvious or trivial except...</description>
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		<title>By: john b</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/01/09/raising-mps-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-5188</link>
		<dc:creator>john b</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 16:51:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>It&#039;s the annual contribution, and your rule-of-thumb workings are pretty much spot on. The quotes above aren&#039;t clear, but the article is liberally sprinkled with the use of &quot;annual&quot;.

I could explain /exactly/ how annual contributions are calculated in accounting terms - but again, you&#039;re near enough right that it&#039;d be v. v. dull and almost entirely pointless.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It&#8217;s the annual contribution, and your rule-of-thumb workings are pretty much spot on. The quotes above aren&#8217;t clear, but the article is liberally sprinkled with the use of &#8220;annual&#8221;.</p>
<p>I could explain /exactly/ how annual contributions are calculated in accounting terms &#8211; but again, you&#8217;re near enough right that it&#8217;d be v. v. dull and almost entirely pointless.</p>
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		<title>By: Mark C</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mark C</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 12:02:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Perhaps I am indeed as dim as I sometimes appear (allegedly) but these figures make no sense to me.  What is the £29,000 described as a cost?  Is that the annual contribution (&quot;employer&#039;s contribution&quot;) made by the taxpayer to the MPs&#039; scheme?  Is it the annual pension received by an &quot;average&quot; MP after their &quot;service&quot;?

The size of fund needed to provide fortieths benefits, index linked, even from age 60 is enormous, and £29,000 doesn&#039;t figure anywhere.  Put it this way; Joe Average (male, non-smoking) would get a pension income of about £5600 a year from a fund of £100,000 at age 60, assuming he didn&#039;t want any frilly bits like index linking, guaranteed increases and so on.  To get an income of £29,000, do the arithmetic - fund of £518,000 - and you can double that, at least, if you want index linking.

So, at a million quid a pop, that&#039;s oohhhhh, what?  A billion at least, given former MPs and present incumbents?  WTF does £20 million come from?

A couple of years ago, the average pension fund for males in the private sector was £25,000.

So begging the obvious question - are they worth it? (Errr, no) - what do the figures given actually mean?  That Parliament can report the annual cost of the liability as opposed to the total liability into the future?

Apologies if I have indeed missed something obvious but I&#039;ve learned the hard way that journalists and figures to do with pensions and finance generally aren&#039;t to be trusted.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Perhaps I am indeed as dim as I sometimes appear (allegedly) but these figures make no sense to me.  What is the £29,000 described as a cost?  Is that the annual contribution (&#8220;employer&#8217;s contribution&#8221;) made by the taxpayer to the MPs&#8217; scheme?  Is it the annual pension received by an &#8220;average&#8221; MP after their &#8220;service&#8221;?</p>
<p>The size of fund needed to provide fortieths benefits, index linked, even from age 60 is enormous, and £29,000 doesn&#8217;t figure anywhere.  Put it this way; Joe Average (male, non-smoking) would get a pension income of about £5600 a year from a fund of £100,000 at age 60, assuming he didn&#8217;t want any frilly bits like index linking, guaranteed increases and so on.  To get an income of £29,000, do the arithmetic &#8211; fund of £518,000 &#8211; and you can double that, at least, if you want index linking.</p>
<p>So, at a million quid a pop, that&#8217;s oohhhhh, what?  A billion at least, given former MPs and present incumbents?  WTF does £20 million come from?</p>
<p>A couple of years ago, the average pension fund for males in the private sector was £25,000.</p>
<p>So begging the obvious question &#8211; are they worth it? (Errr, no) &#8211; what do the figures given actually mean?  That Parliament can report the annual cost of the liability as opposed to the total liability into the future?</p>
<p>Apologies if I have indeed missed something obvious but I&#8217;ve learned the hard way that journalists and figures to do with pensions and finance generally aren&#8217;t to be trusted.</p>
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		<title>By: Helen</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/01/09/raising-mps-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-5177</link>
		<dc:creator>Helen</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 10:36:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>MPs are grossly overpaid because they have stopped performing the work they are supposed to do. In the private sector there would be severe cut-backs if 70 - 80 per cent of the work had gone somewhere else.

Turning into a pendant here: that should be MPs&#039; pay as more than one of them want to have more of our money. Oh and the word is publicly. Sorry. ;-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>MPs are grossly overpaid because they have stopped performing the work they are supposed to do. In the private sector there would be severe cut-backs if 70 &#8211; 80 per cent of the work had gone somewhere else.</p>
<p>Turning into a pendant here: that should be MPs&#8217; pay as more than one of them want to have more of our money. Oh and the word is publicly. Sorry. <img src='http://timworstall.com/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_wink.gif' alt=';-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Mark Wadsworth</title>
		<link>http://timworstall.com/2008/01/09/raising-mps-pay/comment-page-1/#comment-5171</link>
		<dc:creator>Mark Wadsworth</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 09 Jan 2008 09:47:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>That last para sums it all up nicely!</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That last para sums it all up nicely!</p>
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