Comments on: TCFKAGAN http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/ It is all obvious or trivial except... Tue, 16 Mar 2010 04:29:11 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.9.1 hourly 1 By: Ian http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2423 Ian Thu, 15 Nov 2007 20:54:05 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2423 From a socialist perspective, I could add the following. There are a number of clubs in England that are run by Supporters Trusts. These are not-for-profit organisations regulated by the FSA and governed by the Industrial & Provident Societies Act - the same laws that govern, say, co-operative societies. By and large, anyone looking to form a trust would contact a government-funded body called Supporters Direct. They are, it's fair to say, the national experts on this. The problem that has been established with MyFC is that it is far from socialist. The Trust, which has been set up, it would appear, primarily to limit the liabilities of the 20,000 members of MyFC, is contractually linked to MyFC Ltd, which is the company "developing and maintaining" their website. Some of the clauses in their contract, as well as some of the "rules" of the Trust are very peculiar, to the extent that SD have already issued a press release condemning this take-over. The suspicion is that MyFC Trust is little more than a "shell" company, enabling MyFC Ltd to make a profit out of it all, through its contracts with the web site designers (who are, in practice, more or less the same people). From a socialist perspective, I could add the following. There are a number of clubs in England that are run by Supporters Trusts. These are not-for-profit organisations regulated by the FSA and governed by the Industrial & Provident Societies Act – the same laws that govern, say, co-operative societies. By and large, anyone looking to form a trust would contact a government-funded body called Supporters Direct. They are, it’s fair to say, the national experts on this.

The problem that has been established with MyFC is that it is far from socialist. The Trust, which has been set up, it would appear, primarily to limit the liabilities of the 20,000 members of MyFC, is contractually linked to MyFC Ltd, which is the company “developing and maintaining” their website. Some of the clauses in their contract, as well as some of the “rules” of the Trust are very peculiar, to the extent that SD have already issued a press release condemning this take-over.

The suspicion is that MyFC Trust is little more than a “shell” company, enabling MyFC Ltd to make a profit out of it all, through its contracts with the web site designers (who are, in practice, more or less the same people).

]]> By: TCKNAGAN Update « Gary Andrews http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2421 TCKNAGAN Update « Gary Andrews Thu, 15 Nov 2007 18:38:54 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2421 [...] Dillow and Tim Worstall have also given their opinions, which I hoped they would. Chris gives an excellent, reasoned [...] [...] Dillow and Tim Worstall have also given their opinions, which I hoped they would. Chris gives an excellent, reasoned [...]

]]> By: Craig http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2362 Craig Wed, 14 Nov 2007 23:30:21 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2362 The NFL Green Bay Packers have long been owned by the citizens of Green Bay who bought shares of stock in the team to keep it in town and hire professional management to ensure that it remains a winner. There's nothing in the slightest resembling socialism about it. It's about as socialist as General Motors or Wal-Mart. The NFL Green Bay Packers have long been owned by the citizens of Green Bay who bought shares of stock in the team to keep it in town and hire professional management to ensure that it remains a winner.

There’s nothing in the slightest resembling socialism about it. It’s about as socialist as General Motors or Wal-Mart.

]]> By: Gary http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2335 Gary Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:52:31 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2335 Actually, I'd definitely agree that a co-operative for a football club would be a very interesting experiment. The trouble I have with this is that MyFC looks like it very much is imposing its own set of ideals on some rather unwilling TCFKAGAN supporters. I think this scheme has a better chance of working where the fans genuinely welcome the idea, or even a club being built up from scratch (and that's essentially happened with AFC Wimbledon and FC United anyway, and they're doing quite nicely). I've been having a bit of a to and fro with one of their advocates here: http://www.exeweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18677 I'm still not convinced. And although, as is probably evident, I'm not at all convinced by this current experiment, I completely agree with the point about liberal capitalism :) Actually, I’d definitely agree that a co-operative for a football club would be a very interesting experiment.

The trouble I have with this is that MyFC looks like it very much is imposing its own set of ideals on some rather unwilling TCFKAGAN supporters.

I think this scheme has a better chance of working where the fans genuinely welcome the idea, or even a club being built up from scratch (and that’s essentially happened with AFC Wimbledon and FC United anyway, and they’re doing quite nicely).

I’ve been having a bit of a to and fro with one of their advocates here:

http://www.exeweb.com/forums/showthread.php?t=18677

I’m still not convinced.

And although, as is probably evident, I’m not at all convinced by this current experiment, I completely agree with the point about liberal capitalism :)

]]> By: dearieme http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2325 dearieme Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:23:19 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2325 Kay's right. "Socialism" always means the imposed sort. Otherwise it's just like an old-fashioned rugby club (but without the pleasure, usually, I suspect). Kay’s right. “Socialism” always means the imposed sort. Otherwise it’s just like an old-fashioned rugby club (but without the pleasure, usually, I suspect).

]]> By: Kay Tie http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2323 Kay Tie Wed, 14 Nov 2007 14:19:51 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2323 I thought the whole point to communism is that it is enforced. If it's not enforced, it's a cooperative (and jolly good things they are too). I thought the whole point to communism is that it is enforced. If it’s not enforced, it’s a cooperative (and jolly good things they are too).

]]> By: R. Sherman http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/comment-page-1/#comment-2316 R. Sherman Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:21:08 +0000 http://timworstall.com/2007/11/14/tcfkagan/#comment-2316 In American football, <a href="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Green_Bay_Packers" rel="nofollow">The Green Bay (Wis) Packers</a> are owned by the fans and it seems to have worked out. Cheers. In American football, The Green Bay (Wis) Packers are owned by the fans and it seems to have worked out.

Cheers.

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